An Open Letter from Howard Schultz, ceo of Starbucks Coffee Company

Dear Fellow Americans,

Few topics in America generate a more polarized and emotional debate than guns. In recent months, Starbucks stores and our partners (employees) who work in our stores have been thrust unwillingly into the middle of this debate. That’s why I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas.

From the beginning, our vision at Starbucks has been to create a “third place” between home and work where people can come together to enjoy the peace and pleasure of coffee and community. Our values have always centered on building community rather than dividing people, and our stores exist to give every customer a safe and comfortable respite from the concerns of daily life.

We appreciate that there is a highly sensitive balance of rights and responsibilities surrounding America’s gun laws, and we recognize the deep passion for and against the “open carry” laws adopted by many states. (In the United States, “open carry” is the term used for openly carrying a firearm in public.) For years we have listened carefully to input from our customers, partners, community leaders and voices on both sides of this complicated, highly charged issue.

Our company’s longstanding approach to “open carry” has been to follow local laws: we permit it in states where allowed and we prohibit it in states where these laws don’t exist. We have chosen this approach because we believe our store partners should not be put in the uncomfortable position of requiring customers to disarm or leave our stores. We believe that gun policy should be addressed by government and law enforcement—not by Starbucks and our store partners.

Recently, however, we’ve seen the “open carry” debate become increasingly uncivil and, in some cases, even threatening. Pro-gun activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called “Starbucks Appreciation Days” that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of “open carry.” To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores. Some anti-gun activists have also played a role in ratcheting up the rhetoric and friction, including soliciting and confronting our customers and partners.

For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.

I would like to clarify two points. First, this is a request and not an outright ban. Why? Because we want to give responsible gun owners the chance to respect our request—and also because enforcing a ban would potentially require our partners to confront armed customers, and that is not a role I am comfortable asking Starbucks partners to take on. Second, we know we cannot satisfy everyone. For those who oppose “open carry,” we believe the legislative and policy-making process is the proper arena for this debate, not our stores. For those who champion “open carry,” please respect that Starbucks stores are places where everyone should feel relaxed and comfortable. The presence of a weapon in our stores is unsettling and upsetting for many of our customers.

I am proud of our country and our heritage of civil discourse and debate. It is in this spirit that we make today’s request. Whatever your view, I encourage you to be responsible and respectful of each other as citizens and neighbors.

Sincerely,

Howard Schultz

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    • LO2LO2
    • 9/17/2013 9:42 PM

    Well said. Thank you.

      • maltese77.bs@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:07 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Good for you Starbucks!!!! good for you Howard Schultz not afraid to stand up to gun toting tea baggers!!!!!

        • maltese77.bs@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:08 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        And you are not pushing customers away you are gaining more customers trust me majority of people in this country want some gun control.

        • MKEgal
        • 9/17/2013 10:15 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        DC has "gun control".
        Military bases have "gun control".
        VA Tech has "gun control".
        Most schools have "gun control".
        Notice a pattern? All those places are where mass murders have happened.

        SBX is refusing service to the 80,000,000 or so law-abiding gun owners in the USA.
        Not smart to turn away the best customers they could have.

        • uplinkster@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:33 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Well I only got to startbucks 4-6 times a month, that is about all I leave my country home to go to town. There are lots of small stands I can frequent now that I will no longer spend my money at starbucks.

        • flying_tigress9@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:38 AM

        In reply to: uplinkster@gmail.com

        Me too......I plan to give Starbucks a wide berth as they will now be frequented only by liberal fools...safer now there? LOL....they just became a more dangerous place to be, just like Fort Hood and the Navy Yard. What a dumbbell their "leader" is.

        • kkstein@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 1:55 PM

        In reply to: flying_tigress9@yahoo.com

        I'm actually a conservative (not a liberal or a fool) and I don't like being around guns. I don't think Starbucks is trying to be frequented by either liberals or conservatives -- I think they just want to be frequented by people who want coffee.

        • admin@iconstitution.us
        • 9/19/2013 8:08 PM

        In reply to: kkstein@yahoo.com

        Let's see most SB's did not see a drop in customers from the boycott. As a matter of fact I am sure they saw sales spike on the days that was support to hurt them. All for not taking a side. What choice would a smart business person make. Do nothing and continue getting better business or give in to somebody extorting your company and lose avid support and thus business. This my friend is a no brainer which is probably what the CEO has.

        • pestyali@aol.com
        • 9/22/2013 12:24 PM

        In reply to: admin@iconstitution.us

        Here we go again, when a Lib gets boxed in or cornered by the facts, the truth, they make up their own facts, their own truth and tote that around... It is the Liberal way...

        • atriusofbricia@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 9:01 PM

        In reply to: kkstein@yahoo.com

        Yet here is the thing... Starbucks just caved to the people who were really making this a serious issue. The guys open carrying ARs weren't doing something that I agree with, but at the same time they weren't trying to drag Starbucks into this. The anti-rights people have been trying to force Starbucks into this for nearly two years. Starbucks caved to them. Will they stop? No. Now they'll start asking for a total ban. If they get that, they'll just move on to their next target.

        • jbhann@gmail.com
        • 9/27/2013 7:47 AM

        In reply to: atriusofbricia@gmail.com

        If they were not trying to drag Starbucks into the mix then why did they have Pro-gun events at Starbucks and even named them “Starbucks Appreciation Days” ?

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 10:31 PM

        In reply to: kkstein@yahoo.com

        well they clearly don't want guns...they put out a memo stating that fact......people believe what they want to believe........it says it RIGHT there

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 2:49 PM

        In reply to: flying_tigress9@yahoo.com

        Let's do some hard thinking here. What if no guns existed in the hands of the public at all? Oh, well now there would be thousands more Americans here today, wouldn't there be?

        • neverchild@adv-en.com
        • 9/20/2013 6:21 PM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        "thousands more Americans here today"..on the 40th anniversary of 54,000,000 dead Americans from abortion...but getting rid of that isn't realistic, either.

        • mikes@att.net
        • 9/20/2013 8:05 PM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        And what if there were no famine, disease or wars? Think of the countless millions saved. Now, back to reality.

        • rebga1@gmail.com
        • 9/21/2013 6:21 AM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        Hey aircanada787 - Your sentiments regarding this subject sound an awful like John Lennon's famous "Imagine" song, you know, imagine no religion, no money, no governments, no war, no guns, etc. Our society could do a pretty good job at removing guns from all Americans with rational minds, and strides are being made, but how do you stop a crazy nut guy like the recent one in Washington, and the one in Connecticut, and the one in Aurora, CO from securing a gun and killing many????

        • DCARCHITECT@YAHOO.COM
        • 9/27/2013 4:30 AM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        If there were no guns in public hands we would be a British Colony and you would be drinking Tea not coffee. The Boston Tea party and objection to the British crown taxation and policies of its military as an occupation force led to America becoming the land of Coffee not Tea. So its a bit hypocritical for a coffee company in the USA to be opposed to the second amendment.

        • DCARCHITECT@YAHOO.COM
        • 9/27/2013 4:36 AM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        Next, with no guns in public hands means only the government has guns. well lets see how has that worked out around the world. Here is a list of countries which have a major government genocide against its own people
        http://jpfo.org/pdf02/genocide-chart.pdf
        more info also
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
        This is really the heart of the matter.
        So by preferring only law enforcement, or GOVERNMENT GUNS ONLY Starbucks is not realizing they are siding with tyranny

        • jbhann
        • 9/27/2013 7:57 AM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        We have laws against murder, rape and robbery but that doesn't stop those criminals from committing those acts. Law abiding citizens have the right to protect themselves and their families from these criminals.

        • strikeer@gmail.com
        • 9/30/2013 5:46 AM
        • bikrfam@hotmail.com
        • 12/12/2013 12:41 AM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        IF you are going to do some hard thinking, DO IT, with reality in mind! People are VIOLENT and WEAPONS, can be ANYTHING, NOT JUST FIREARMS! You think before guns, there was NO VIOLENCE!? Stop! THIS IS A CHOICE. WE SHOULD ACCEPT CHOICE! That way, we dont create an OWNERSHIP! AND CHOICE SHOULD BE PERTINENT TO THOSE WHO ACTIVELY DO IN, AND FOR, THIS COUNTRY! If you bring nothing to the table, dont participate, OR EXPECT! IF YOU IMPOSE, than it deminishes CHOICE! BOTH FOR AND AGAINST!

        • djhansensr@yahoo.com
        • 9/21/2013 6:12 PM

        In reply to: flying_tigress9@yahoo.com

        Excellent point! My family and I will no longer visit SB. They just lost a nice chunk of change which we will be spending elsewhere.

        • billhornla15@uww.edu
        • 9/23/2013 12:33 PM

        In reply to: djhansensr@yahoo.com

        i'm so sure they will miss your measly amount of money from your family. it's probably chump change for them.

        • midlifemama61@gmail.com
        • 9/22/2013 2:25 PM

        In reply to: flying_tigress9@yahoo.com

        Judging from your bad attitude, your silly name-calling and extremist tone, you and Uplinkster are obviously two peas in a pod. No doubt Starbucks will be a more pleasant, not to mention safer, place without your presence. So, hooray on behalf of all sane liberals, conservatives and independents!

        • jo_loflin@yahoo.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:34 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        How are they refusing service? They said it's not a ban, it's a request. Maybe try reading the article fully and thoroughly before making a comment, eh?

        • ELCIDGRAD
        • 9/17/2013 11:48 PM

        In reply to: jo_loflin@yahoo.com

        I love how you didn't mind us bringing our M9's into the Starbucks at Camp Buehring. (Seriously, thanks for the coffee though.) It's ok over there, but not stateside? Apparently, there are too many nervous Nellies here that are scared of a piece of steel that once protected their right to be ignorant and fearful.

        • nardecaj
        • 9/18/2013 1:59 AM

        In reply to: ELCIDGRAD

        I would like to clarify two points. First, this is a request and not an outright ban. Why? Because we want to give responsible gun owners the chance to respect our request—and also because enforcing a ban would potentially require our partners to confront armed customers, and that is not a role I am comfortable asking Starbucks partners to take on.

        • chris@silvershears.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:16 AM

        In reply to: nardecaj

        Yes, it was a request. I will honor your request by no longer spending hundreds of dollars per year at your stores. I would like to know the sales results from those "appreciation" days. Apparently they were insignificant?

        • rbulley
        • 9/18/2013 9:44 AM

        In reply to: chris@silvershears.com

        yes, sales resulted from a company being portrayed as "pro-open carry" when they're not, and they're merely abiding by state laws... i'm sure it will have little to no impact on their bottom dollar, sorry bud!

        • bburt73@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:49 PM

        In reply to: rbulley

        Nearly all of my friends only open carry when attending open carry lunches or dinners. Restaurant owners love having groups of 25 or 30 having a meal in their place of business. Personally, I would never open carry anywhere, other than in groups; since this is why we passed CCW.

        • MarthaDoddSlippy@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:49 PM

        In reply to: bburt73@gmail.com

        Concealed enhances the element of surprise. I am my first line of defense - not offense.

        • Thyfur
        • 9/18/2013 11:39 AM

        In reply to: chris@silvershears.com

        You fail to understand two things. Chris. 1. Starbucks did not want to be in the middle of a political battle, and the folks throwing 'appreciation days' did just that. 2. Thanks to the appreciation days, those of us who did not want guns in the stores with us everywhere became aware of this and did our own protest.

        Yes SBX might lose your $100(s)/year, but they regained my $25/week.

        • seed2tree@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:12 PM

        In reply to: Thyfur

        Seriously..... $1300 a year on coffee. Think about it.

        • Phikap007
        • 9/19/2013 7:43 AM

        In reply to: seed2tree@gmail.com

        They are losing my ~$30 per week. If they really wanted to stay out of the debate as they claim, they should have never wrote the letter. Now they have taken a stance against the second amendment, and even though I don't carry, I will not patronize a business that takes a stance against the constitution. That would be un-American.

        • Dragonkind
        • 9/19/2013 7:17 AM

        In reply to: Thyfur

        In your ignorance, you fail to realize something; 1. "Appreciation Days" were held to show support of Starbucks' policy of deferring to local laws to determine their "open carry" guidelines, as well as to help make up for lost revenue to to a boycott of their stores over this policy. 2. Some liberal Moms Demanding Their Way group were the original ones bringing Starbucks into the conflict with their boycott. So before you get on your high horse, look what it is you are standing on to get there.

        • CB_Demented@hotmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 7:13 AM

        In reply to: chris@silvershears.com

        If the gun control lobby now has "appreciation days" at Starbucks, do you think the sales will be significant?

        And out of curiosity...which do you think is a bigger spender in Starbucks per year...the number of people who would be upset enough to stop buying coffee at Starbucks because of this request...or the number who would stop because they're afraid of guys who think it's a good idea to show support for OC with an AK or an AR after all the great press they've gotten since Sandy Hook?

        • jtmarine73
        • 9/18/2013 9:40 AM

        In reply to: nardecaj

        this is a moronic point. Anwhere there is a ban, means it is legally posted you cannot carry. the only people that WOULD follow that ban is legally permitted owners of guns. Not doing so would cause you to lose your license and spend a fair amount of time in jail. Anyone with a license would not want to lose it. for that.

        • irescueyou775@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:21 PM

        In reply to: jtmarine73

        That depends on the state laws really. In my state if they found out I was carrying the most they could do is ask me to leave. If I refuse that they could give me a ticket for trespassing. But I will respect their request and any other business that has a no gun sign. I will just not go in that store and spend my $ there. Their loss means more money in my pockets.

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:47 AM

        In reply to: nardecaj

        The problem though is that a "request" by someone to not bring guns into stores IF ignored is reason for arrest.

        What Starbucks has done is effectively made Starbucks "gun-free zones" and interestingly enough, most mass shootings occur in these type of environments.

        Even though Mr. Schultz states Starbucks is neither pro or anti gun, the only conclusion to draw is that Starbucks is in fact, anti-gun.

        While Starbucks acknowledges the reprehensible actions of those on the left, they caved.

        • ResponsibleGunOwner
        • 9/19/2013 4:32 AM

        In reply to: modres@hotmail.com

        @Modres You are incorrect. Unless a store has posted a notice on their entrance that guns are prohibited you may still enter that store while armed. Only if they specifically ask you to leave and you refuse can you be arrested. I am a gun owner and I sometimes open carry. I will continue to patronize Starbucks and will abide by Mr Schultz's reasonable REQUEST to not bring my gun into his stores.

        • ELCIDGRAD
        • 9/18/2013 11:49 PM

        In reply to: nardecaj

        I think you misunderstand me buddy. I will respect the ask if I ever go to starbucks, because it is reasonable and I concealed carry anyway. But my main point that, people don't even think about the fact that we tote guns everywhere over there, but over here panic ensues. Why?

        • snarlingkitty@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 6:25 AM

        In reply to: nardecaj

        We also have the right if we have a permit. We are supposed to be only tolerant to just you liberals? How about each way? Request, ban, whatever. What are you going to do to the people including cops and military personnel? Haven't you liberals screwed up enough of this country yet? Trust me, I am pretty sure there will be loss of sales. We have bigger problems to work on. Most gun owners aren't crazy. You guys claim to be so tolerant. We ask you to do the same.

        • hr@hr.com
        • 9/19/2013 2:37 PM

        In reply to: nardecaj

        That is why I am requesting that my friends get their coffee elsewhere, just a request not a boycott.

        • sojin_muneshi@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:46 AM

        In reply to: ELCIDGRAD

        Bronson, this is why gun owners should be tested psychologically and for IQ before permitted to carry a gun, cos plainly you cant read or comprehend plain "American" > How are they refusing service? They said it's not a ban, it's a request. Maybe try reading the article fully and thoroughly before making a comment, eh?

        They asked you politely to not bring your dolly to the sandpit, and your having a temper tantrum over it! be a good boy and play nicely.

        • sugzerep@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:46 AM

        In reply to: sojin_muneshi@hotmail.com

        Your ignorance is not masked by your pseudo-intellectual rant. No one can "read or comprehend plain American" because there is no such thing. Try English for better luck next time.

        By your own standards you should not be allowed to own a gun.

        • ELCIDGRAD
        • 9/18/2013 11:52 PM

        In reply to: sojin_muneshi@hotmail.com

        Your post does not make sense.. I didn't say anything about a ban. I just don't know why people don't mind if we protect them over there, but here it causes a panic.

        • jmgtoday@yahoo.com
        • 9/21/2013 9:19 AM

        In reply to: sojin_muneshi@hotmail.com

        "American" - really? Do you also refer to people speaking "Mexican?" "Cos" (maybe, you meant, "because"), "cant" (can't), "your"(maybe "you're"). How about this - take your time and check your work carefully before submitting a response that clearly demonstrates you are either illiterate or just a buffoon.

        • kimberlypr@embarqmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:09 AM

        In reply to: ELCIDGRAD

        At least someone has some brains here. You libs keep drinking the cool aide and enjoy having your rights taken away little by little. If Starbucks doesn't like the second amendment then I can choose not to drink their coffee. Period.

        • stevebroggie@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 8:50 AM

        In reply to: kimberlypr@embarqmail.com

        This has nothing to do with Starbucks "liking" the second amendment. It's a policy decision that they are FREE (because this is the USA) to do. Property rights (control) are absolute, gun rights are not. Gun ownership is not a race or creed or religion or a protected right on private property. If I don't want your gun in my house, you can't bring your gun in to my house. Period. So as it is with a business. Add "openly displayed weapons" to the list of no shoes, no shirt, no service.

        • rbulley
        • 9/18/2013 9:46 AM
        • edpoe@outlook.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:24 AM

        In reply to: stevebroggie@gmail.com

        In Alabama, it is now written into law that if you have a concealed carry permit it over-rides the property owner's rights. Businesses cannot legally ban you from concealed carrying on their property. The state has in effect created a new protected class for gun carriers until a court says otherwise.

        • PJOchsner@hotmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 12:04 PM

        In reply to: stevebroggie@gmail.com

        I see a reason for shoes and shirts, but I see no reason for Starbucks to issue this "request". Therefore, (because this is the USA) I am free to never buy coffee there again. Nor will I buy all the gift cards I use to buy for presents. Enough said.

        • emailnogood@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:29 AM

        In reply to: ELCIDGRAD

        Yes and businesses have a right to make policies. Don't like it, don't shop there.

        And there are protected groups one can not discriminate against due to a HISTORY of discrimination. Gun owners have never been considered to be 3/4 of a person,
        For example.

        • garrett3254@earthlink.net
        • 9/18/2013 3:15 PM
        • markaflacy
        • 9/18/2013 10:15 PM

        In reply to: emailnogood@yahoo.com

        "Gun owners have never been considered to be 3/4 of a person"

        The non-slave-owning states really wanted them to not be counted at all for the purposes of apportioning representatives in the House of Representatives.

        Counting the slaves only gave the slave *owners* more power.

        I'm sure that you've taken the same level of thought in your other views.

        • beer2_go@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 7:09 AM

        In reply to: ELCIDGRAD

        bronson

        What are YOU going to do when you are carrying your gun and someone else who is also carrying feels threatened by you because maybe you look shifty or you move weird so the open up on you?

        What then?

        • CB_Demented@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:22 AM

        In reply to: beer2_go@yahoo.com

        And how many times have you seen that happen in a Starbucks? Cause their policy of not caring of you carry has been in place since they've been in business, and only now has become an issue. So how many times have you seen someone who just decides to shoot someone in the queue because they "look shifty?"

        You've been reading too many westerns.

        • alea329@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 5:09 PM

        In reply to: beer2_go@yahoo.com

        Your an idiot. When does that ever happen?

        • ELCIDGRAD
        • 9/18/2013 11:55 PM

        In reply to: beer2_go@yahoo.com

        Who is Bronson??? Personally, I don't believe anyone would know that I am carrying, or be threatened by me?

        • cfd@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 6:41 PM

        In reply to: beer2_go@yahoo.com

        beer2_go

        What are YOU going to do when you decide to go see a movie and a CRIMINAL with a gun decides to shoot up the theater and would have shot almost everyone had it not been for the "gun toting" law abiding citizen in the front row. Are you going to change your opinions on carrying then? Both sides can play out all kinds of scenario's.

        • Cronos99
        • 9/19/2013 12:43 AM

        In reply to: ELCIDGRAD

        Thanks mr Schultz for giving in to anti-gun hysteria. For all that loving you profess for your country you certainly seem to have forgotten the role that gun carrying citizens played in America's birth and freedom from British tyranny. Thanks for caving and making me feel unwelcome in yet another "all-American" establishment. I grew up in a third world dictatorship - trust me, you don't appreciate the freedom you have until its taken away in 'your own best interest.'

        • Madmouse01
        • 9/20/2013 9:42 AM

        In reply to: ELCIDGRAD

        First of all I'd like to thank you for your service, People can be so incredibly ignorant! I am a biracial female, democrat and I WHOLE HEARTEDLY AM AGAINST GUN CONTROL!!! We don't need gun control, we need BETTER MENTAL HEALTHCARE!!!! If people don't like the fact that WE as AMERICANS have that RIGHT to bare arms then go to England!

        • dfn1947sd@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:05 AM

        In reply to: jo_loflin@yahoo.com

        YOU READ IT. what does NO LOGER BRING IN MEAN ?

        For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.

        • KEHinWA
        • 9/18/2013 2:11 PM

        In reply to: jo_loflin@yahoo.com

        What if they just said "We request people African descent not come in" Is that discrimination or just a request. What they said is we are asking one group to give up their rights. In actuality they are saying all the really easy to get along gun owners, leave them in the car in our lot where we hope they are stolen.. So now only the more stubborn and or unlawful people with guns will be in store. They made YOU less safe.

        • msukeg
        • 9/18/2013 5:59 PM

        In reply to: KEHinWA

        Uh, no. I don't need YOU cowboy to make me safe. All we need is a couple of you armed saviors drawing your weapons when somebody yells, "ouch" when they burn their lip on steamed milk.

        Concealed carry? Whatever. What's your real need then to show us all that you've got it with you??
        Gun owner arguments used to be about the necessity to protect their property and homes. Great. Leave them there. What does that have to do with SBX?

        • msukeg
        • 9/18/2013 5:59 PM

        In reply to: KEHinWA

        Uh, no. I don't need YOU cowboy to make me safe. All we need is a couple of you armed saviors drawing your weapons when somebody yells, "ouch" when they burn their lip on steamed milk.

        Concealed carry? Whatever. What's your real need then to show us all that you've got it with you??
        Gun owner arguments used to be about the necessity to protect their property and homes. Great. Leave them there. What does that have to do with SBX?

        • caroballey91@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 6:24 AM

        In reply to: msukeg

        You think that we'll just have an old fashioned cowboy shootout? You have a lot to learn about about people with concealed carry permits. Very rarely does a person choose to carry a loaded firearm without a serious intent. That is personal protection and only that. I will only draw my weapon if my of someone else's life is in imminent danger. A person's life just isn't worth anything else such as a 'burnt lip.'

        • starbucks@cherokeesystems.com
        • 9/19/2013 10:41 AM

        In reply to: jo_loflin@yahoo.com

        @jo_loflin.. While you're of course technically right, it was quite clear that law abiding citizens with guns are not welcome, so although I think the letter was well written, in a lot of ways, I believe it was a cop-out, which means it is a magnet for armed criminals, who now can be assured that THEIR life is not in danger if they rob/shoot someone in the starbucks store.

        • GreenTea500
        • 9/19/2013 8:18 PM
        • jamesgjurovich@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 12:04 AM

        In reply to: jo_loflin@yahoo.com

        jo_loflin@yahoo.com

        First they ask you to disarm or leave the store, if you don't they call the cops, and they will not serve you. Try walking into one and see if this does not happen.

        • Ocerep
        • 9/17/2013 10:42 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Starbucks will do just fine without you

        • sharder81@msn.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:49 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Agree . . . But, since their CEO asked nicely, I won't bring my concealed weapon near a Starbucks . . . or my money, or my loyalty, or my family. As a matter of fact, I'll let my extended family know as well.

        Starbucks just lost over 100 customer's right there!

        Add my friends and their families . . .

        • hytechfortune1001@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:20 PM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        Whoa- you must be so influential amongst your family, friends, and their families, that everyone would blindly follow you. Good luck with that...good riddance.

        • creech_c@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 12:43 AM

        In reply to: hytechfortune1001@gmail.com

        Here's another one, I can take my money else where, you gun grabbers can protect each other when a bad guy starts shooting at starbucks.

        • samIam2@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:39 AM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        Oh, NO!!!!!! Starbucks will go bankrupt. Oh, whatsoever will they DOOOO????? Please, I beg you to re-consider.

        • beer2_go@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 7:22 AM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        Sharder81

        So what ... so you can't bring your gun into Starbucks so you get p'ssy and decide not to go there ... BIG DEAL

        The last think Starbucks or any other cafe/restaurant needs is to have a shoot out at their location because two gun freaks scare each other with their loaded weapons.

        • pgaloom@cinci.rr.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:07 AM

        In reply to: beer2_go@yahoo.com

        That was a very ignorant remark. How many shoot-outs have happened between two law-abiding gun owners? I await your reply. In the meantime, I am sure those who possess firearms illegally and intend to harm others will be sure to heed the "request"(ban) lmao.

        • molybdenum94@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:17 PM

        In reply to: pgaloom@cinci.rr.com

        The problem is that "law-abiding gun owners" are getting a bad rap because of people like the mother in CT whose guns were not secured in such a way to keep her unbalanced son from getting to them or the VA law that kept a man that had heard voices for a decade from getting an AK-47 but allowed him to buy a shotgun last week.
        Most of the non-gun-carrying population would just like more assurances that people like these cannot legally own guns. So talk to the NRA...

        • dent_smith@msn.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:39 PM

        In reply to: beer2_go@yahoo.com

        That's an asinine thing to say, show me the last news report about two licensed CWP holders who got in a gun fight over anything. You won't find one. The people who will pull a gun in a public place with no threat to their life or others life are criminals who could care less about a request to not bring their guns into any place. In fact the location of all these mass killings had one thing in common, "gun free zones" and the latest was in the city with the some of the most strict gun laws!

        • kylielambert@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 1:47 AM

        In reply to: dent_smith@msn.com

        If that's the case why aren't people getting shot left, right & centre in Countries like the UK & Australia? Or the rest of the world for that matter? We don't have guns & what we REALLY don't have is the appalling number of people KILLED by guns each day like you do over there...

        • supahmann70@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 6:48 AM

        In reply to: kylielambert@gmail.com

        This is why law-abiding gun owners get so frustrated when discussing issues like this. Here's a website with facts on # of gun deaths per capita: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
        You'll find that the UK and Australia both have higher rates of gun-related deaths per capita. The numbers aren't as large because the populations of those countries aren't as large as the US's. I'm not here to argue, just want an argument based on facts

        • happyeraserboy@hotmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 2:26 PM

        In reply to: supahmann70@gmail.com

        Look at that list again, because you seem to have been reading it wrong. The "Total (calculated)" column shows the number of deaths per 100,000 population. The column shows that the United States has almost 10 times the gun deaths per capita as Australia and 40 times the gun deaths per capita of the UK. In fact of all the countries listed we are the 11th worst.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

        • drcbk1
        • 9/23/2013 11:47 PM

        In reply to: supahmann70@gmail.com

        Supahmann70, you are an idiot--you can't even read. Look closer at the link to Wiki that you posted: the "Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population" for HOMICIDE is USA 3.60, Australia 0.13, UK 0.04. Hey stupid, 360 > 13 > 4 !!! Can you read?? Do you know what numbers are?? The USA has a Firearm-related death rate that is 90 TIMES the rate in the UK (360/4)!! How can you be so stupid??

        • Dragonkind
        • 9/19/2013 8:34 AM

        In reply to: kylielambert@gmail.com

        You seem to be against people dying from being shot. Other forms of murder must be OK with you? People being butchered in public using knives is SO much more civilized - you hypocrite.

        • petra_dol@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 10:01 PM

        In reply to: dent_smith@msn.com


        "Witnesses say the driver of the following car fired shots, and the first driver returned fire. Both drivers were shot and killed. Authorities say both men had licenses to carry concealed weapons."

        http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/268289/280/Enraged-drivers-shoot-kill-each-other

        • Dragonkind
        • 9/19/2013 8:16 AM

        In reply to: beer2_go@yahoo.com

        Excuse me miss, your ignorance is showing... When is the last time two legal gun owners had a shootout in a store? In a western you watched? The only time you hear of a shooting occurring seems to be in a place where there are UNARMED victims, and the shooting is typically done by a criminal, not a legal gun owner. So you enjoy your illusion of "safety" in your newly-minted "gun free zone", my money will be better spent elsewhere.

        • ncsugal
        • 9/18/2013 8:00 AM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        Starbucks will not miss the 100 or so you're taking with you. I and my sorority sisters have enlisted all our family, friends and neighboring Greek houses to fill the "void". Needless to say the number of supporters FAR exceeds those you think will follow you.

        • annasepost26@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:49 AM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        That's great news for all of us! Hopefully all the other gunlovers/ rednecks will keep out as well!

        • kevinr@just-hunt.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:33 PM

        In reply to: annasepost26@hotmail.com

        Your post reminds me of something my father said long ago, "If you hold people to low expectations you'll never be disappointed."

        Sadly, the ignorance of your statement is a great example of how truly disappointing some people are.

        I am a concealed carrier and law abiding gun owner. Why would you assume that since I have an appreciation for the use of firearms for recreation, self defense and other potentially necessary forms of defense, perhaps one day to defend you, makes me a redneck?

        • mark@itbusinesstech.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:50 AM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        You can add me to that list who won't go to Starbucks any longer. And my friends, and my family. I have been reading a lot of the posts and it does come down to what Shader said. Starbucks asked nicely and I am free to voice my opinion and free to act accordingly; nicely. I will also keep my concealed weapon, self, family, friends away from Starbucks. See, we who 'carry' legally respect the rights we have very, very much. Criminals won't read a sign.

        • sgttravelinman@comcast.net
        • 9/18/2013 10:00 AM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        He did ask nicely, remember that he is not banning it and in fact he specifically NEVER mentioned concealed carry.

        I make this distinction for probably the same reason he did, that concealed carry means concealed and not seen and therefore it won't cause any consternation on the part of the liberal kooks that also patronize Starbucks.

        This new policy is a good balance on the part of a business in respecting rights while also trying to keep the peace in their many establishments.

        • danielfitts@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 1:43 PM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        They did not say anything about concealed carry only open carry..

        Besides if you are carrying concealed properly, nobody should even know you are carrying.

        • HenryPercy
        • 9/18/2013 3:22 PM

        In reply to: sharder81@msn.com

        Yea! Don't let the door hit ya on the backside!

        • jackson5.alexandra@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:13 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        I would have to disagree. Starbucks isn't refusing service to law-abiding gun owners. Just politely asking people to leave their guns at home or where ever and come unarmed. I suppose that there are some that exist that carry 24/7 and if there are those that exist who don't want to remove their weapons, they are allowed to chose other cafes.

        • johafford@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:15 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Starbucks isn't refusing service to anyone. They are asking all gun control rhetoric by all sides be left out of their stores.

        • drvovru
        • 9/17/2013 11:15 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Thank you MKEgal, well put.

        • ericksonstudio
        • 9/18/2013 12:07 AM
        • dean_here
        • 9/18/2013 12:45 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        And of course we have MKEgal who insists that SBX is refusing service to gun owners. I challenge you to show me anywhere in the letter where it says SBX is refusing service. They are politely requesting gun owners not to carry their guns in their store. I am sick of the few who make these outrageously stupid arguments and giving intelligent gun owners a bad name.

        • nardecaj
        • 9/18/2013 1:56 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        I'd recommend you read the letter again, and you'll see he's not refusing to serve anyone. He's asking people to voluntarily leave their guns behind.

        • johngaltsatlas@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:56 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        As a 15 year almost daily customer I will say that I WILL NOT be a customer any longer. Gun free zone's which is where this is leading will turn your stores into possible killing zones. I urge you to do the right thing and follow what the US Constitution says which the second amendment is "the right to keep and bare arms" I was held up and robbed at gunpoint once and something like that totally changes your outlook. I will not allow it to happen again. With regards, A former SBX customer.

        • KISchwarz
        • 9/18/2013 11:56 AM

        In reply to: johngaltsatlas@yahoo.com

        ...for a well trained militia. That's also in the second amendment

        • Libertymonger@live.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:36 PM

        In reply to: KISchwarz

        No, like always you got it wrong, not FOR a well trained militia, for the PEOPLE. It states we need well trained militia's as well to secure our free country from tyrannical rule! The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Starbucks is infringing and announcing to all criminals and prescription/suicide drug psycho's that they will be the only ones armed.

        • teevick11@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:34 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Well said, Thanks, seems to me the only places that have gun free zones and more gun control laws are the places with the most crime and shooting sprees!! As far as the other comment above about MAJORITY of Americans want more control laws, that is an untruth!!! But when the SHTF and the ones that are screaming for more gun control better not come running to us TEA BAGGERS for help to protect their stupid butts from terrorist or tyranny!! I have never been to Starbucks and won't start now!!!

        • drcbk1
        • 9/23/2013 11:53 PM

        In reply to: teevick11@gmail.com

        Lol, teevick, so you're a TEA BAGGER? Haha, do you even know what teabagging means? Probably not, or you wouldn't claim to be one...

        • obxstylist
        • 9/18/2013 3:52 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Not only turning customers away. Giving an open invitation to crazed shooters who specifically target areas where civilians are unarmed. Thanks Starbucks!

        • rbulley
        • 9/18/2013 9:49 AM

        In reply to: obxstylist

        are you kidding? not only is it NOT turning customers away, you're assuming that anywhere you can't prove you have a gun on you makes you an open target. I suppose you'd like to talk to your banks about allowing open carry within their branches....

        • grimor
        • 9/18/2013 10:07 AM

        In reply to: rbulley

        Banks do allow open carry in their branches. No law most places preventing carrying in banks. Education is your friend, you two should hang out more.

        • drsdoaks@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:04 PM

        In reply to: grimor

        Thanks for your service! Support our troops, our police, our first responders, our military reserves, AND our right to help others! Dr. S in Boulder Colorado.

        • lsibbelee@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:57 AM

        In reply to: obxstylist

        Ok...so I am Canadian, and was an employee of Starbucks in the past. I just want to say, way to go Starbucks! Isnt part of being an American, having the ability to speak your mind, and make choices that you find suitable to your life and your beliefs and your safety, your right??? Is this not HIS right, as the founder of Starbucks, to do the same??!! He is trying to respect his fellow partners wishes and beliefs, without stirring the pot. We don't carry guns here, and we live just fine. :)

        • emailnogood@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:27 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        So.... What's your definition of mass shooting?

        Has there ever been shootings in states with open carry or no-wait-period or no-training states? If not then holy shiz, that is a perfect Mecca.

        • ace1241934@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 6:06 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Please read the letter carefully. They are not denying service to anyone. They are asking nicely, but specifically saying they will not ask anyone to leave or refuse service, because they do not want their employees to have to deal with that.

        • beer2_go@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 7:07 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        MKEgal,

        Yemen doesn't have any gun control ... do you want America to look like Yemen?

        I don't ... but feel free to move to Yemen, I'm sure you and your gun-humping tenancies will fit right in.

        • naserbeam@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:12 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Just wondering if you read the letter as Starsbucks is not refusing service. The number of gun owners who either have an open carry permit or who openly carry is quite low in comparison those who own a gun. Those who would not oblige a simple and respectful request such as the one made would only a handful. I would think almost all gun owners are aware that having a gun makes people "uncomfortable" and would respect others freedom of drinking a coffee in peace. Respect goes both ways.

        • rfc361@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:37 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Couldn't agree more. Criminals do not care about these requests and laws. If anything successfully declaring you are an easy target is what has been accomplished in doing this.

        • drcbk1
        • 9/23/2013 11:55 PM

        In reply to: rfc361@gmail.com

        Lol, since when did criminals open-carry? That's funny.

        • rbulley
        • 9/18/2013 9:39 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        have you read the full article? They're not refusing service to anyone, they're ASKING those who feel they have the right to carry an open firearm, to NOT. no where in the letter does it state they'll be turned away, in fact howard even states he doesn't want his staff to have to confront anyone on it, which is why it's just a REQUEST. They also don't want to be a company that's represented as "pro-open carry" READ EVERYTHING before posting an ignorant reply.

        • boB@Gage.nospam.net
        • 9/18/2013 9:53 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        How do you get "refusing service" from a request that is specifically not a ban? Did you stop reading or just turn your brain off?

        A lot of places have gun control and have NOT fallen victim to a murderous f**khead with a gun. Your list proves only your own callousness and willingness to use tragedy to drive your point home.

        • tjd3699@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:01 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        well now lets look at this...there are an estimated 314 Million people in the USA and you are referring to 80ish Million with guns Starbucks could lose as customers by asking them not to bring guns in their stores. That means 234Million Americans without guns that Starbucks is potentially making more comfortable not having someone with a AR-15 in the cafe. And yes...there are too many pics on line of men doing just that. I now feel safe going back into starbucks.

        • gravityrocks@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:01 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        I am trying to find where the letter said they were trying to turn away any one. The right to guns is not an absolute right and the framers of the constitution never intended it to be. One of the problems with people who oppose more sane gun control laws is that they don't seem to be able to read that nobody is taking away law abiding citizens right to own a gun, they are just being asked to own it responsibly.

        • elyriahist@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:58 AM

        In reply to: gravityrocks@gmail.com

        OK, you are making it REALY hard to agree with you. When you demonize a group of people, and use inflammatory terms (like gun-humpers a few posts up) you can expect outrage. As for "The right to guns is not an absolute right and the framers of the constitution never intended it to be" How would you define "shall not be infringed"? I thing the Starbucks stance is VERY reasonable. I am a firearms enthusiast, and yes I carry a pistol. Concealed. I do not see the need to be IN YOUR FACE about it.

        • peoplefromgoodhomes@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:21 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        as others have said, RTFA
        they are suggesting that you leave your guns elsewhere, not banning you from the stores or refusing to serve you.
        ... but you thank you for fully demonstrating that you're more interested in screaming and proclaiming outrage than reading.
        (This is why we can't have nice things or a decent debate on anything in this country)

        • Thyfur
        • 9/18/2013 11:33 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        First it is a fallacy to claim DC has 'gun control' when in truth gun control must be at a state or federal level to have any effect.

        As for SBX refusing service to open carry customer, obviously you have not read the letter. They have requested that you leave your guns at home while shopping at their stores. They have not banned your guns. In fact they have regained many, many lost customers over the past month by requesting you leave them in your car and not their store.

        • salihe66@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:37 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Apparently owning a gun doesn't require the ability to read. How is it so hard to comprehend that maybe other people don't want armed strangers roaming around in close quarters with them? Do you guys have that little regard for anyone but yourselves? And btw, Starbucks isn't "refusing service to...gun owners." Just don't bring your freaking gun on display into their stores. Geez.

        • ftfunari@comcat.net
        • 9/18/2013 2:42 PM

        In reply to: salihe66@gmail.com

        So you have no problem if a criminal has a gun under his belt roaming around next to you but a person who is visibly, lawfully carrying a gun scares you. I guess you have no problem walking around cops that are strangers with guns?

        • TajaRoux
        • 9/18/2013 2:27 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        They are not refusing service to anyone. I own guns, but I can leave them at home or in the car when I run in for a latte. I also have a cat, but I am not going to bring it into the store with me - some people may be allergic. It would be rude for me to make them uncomfortable just so I can be a jerk who is trying to prove a point.

        • 2bowlings
        • 9/18/2013 2:45 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Clearly some folks can't READ. This isn't a BAN, it's a request to customers in open carry states not to bring guns. Nothing in this letter suggests that anyone won't be served.

        • kthhrrsn
        • 9/18/2013 2:49 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        I do notice a pattern! We have far too many guns in our society and they are far too accessible and there's far too little regulation over them. This is not the 1700's. It's not the wild west. We are supposed to be civilized society. We have iPads for goodness sake!

        • jbhann
        • 9/27/2013 8:54 AM

        In reply to: kthhrrsn

        A civilized society is maintained only when the people have the resources to shelter, cloth and feed themselves. Even with all the technology we have today, we are basically the same as we were thousands of years ago. Take away the resources, such as food and watch us come apart. And no technology like devices, such as iPads will put food in the mouths of the starving.

        • jbhann
        • 9/27/2013 8:55 AM

        In reply to: kthhrrsn

        A civilized society is maintained only when the people have the resources to shelter, cloth and feed themselves. Even with all the technology we have today, we are basically the same as we were thousands of years ago. Take away the resources, such as food and watch us come apart. And no technology like devices, such as iPads will put food in the mouths of the starving.

        • smugdoug
        • 9/18/2013 3:51 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Read "a request"!

        And they're not telling you to own a gun, just not carry one into their stores. What, is your gun attached to you in some way? You might want to see a doctor about that...

        • neadhlp@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:52 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Trying to use logic on a liberal is useless MKEgal... Sadly they do not let either logic OR reason into their mind lest they become informed and realize how stupid they really are. It's truly sad, don't you think?

        • msukeg
        • 9/18/2013 5:44 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Go to school, learn to read AND comprehend.

        He clearly stated SBX is NOT banning. Nowhere in his letter does he state that SBX will refuse service. It was a polite request.

        It's a coffee house. Not a political convention.

        Thank you Mr. Schultz for making me feel safer.

        • kylielambert@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 1:38 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Yes I notice a pattern...and a place where mass murders have happened...AMERICA! Why does the rest of the world sit in shock at how many people in your Country Die every single day because of guns? No wonder, with attitudes like yours, wake up people!

        • niagchristine@aol.com
        • 9/19/2013 3:02 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Read the letter again. He asked that people respect his wish that they not bring guns into the store. He did not say they can't.

        • wonderland@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 4:17 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        No where in the letter does it say that the company is BANNING anything. They are NOT refusing to serve if you come in with a open carry gun. This is a REQUEST!!!!

        • calif.james@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 10:04 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Did you stop going to church when they asked that you leave your weapon in the car or at home?

        • sherrywestbrook@hotmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 3:02 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        It truely amazes me how many people have been unable to connect those dots.....fearful that we are now living in a world that has no common sense. Well said MKEgal - at least I know there is 2 people in this country with common sense :)

        • george_f@hotmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 4:10 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Please, please read this letter again and try to comprehend it properly.
        He has explicitly said it's NOT a ban - just a request.
        The way that people half-read things and then go off "half-cocked" is a big reason the USA is in this mess in the first place.

        • halinesgames@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 4:34 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        I agree with you, especially about the places there is gun control. I will give them credit, they said it very nicely but it still doesn't change the fact they are not supporting the Constitution of the US, therefore, I will still be boycotting as will the rest of my family.

        • miarn@sbcglobal.net
        • 9/19/2013 10:12 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        The letter clear said they are not banning guns they are asking customers honor their request. It's legal to not serve somebody for 'no shirt no shoes' it's legal to have 'no smoking', 'keep off the grass', 'no cell phones in the movie theater' is it to much to ask people not to bring in their kill sticks to an often small crowded room full of hot liquids where kids are bumping into everything. What world of danger are folks living in that they need to pack heat to stop in for a grande drip?

        • higgledy@gmail.com
        • 9/24/2013 6:41 PM

        In reply to: miarn@sbcglobal.net

        miarn@sbcglobal.net You are freaking stupid. Kill sticks? Come on. It takes a lot more than a bump to cause a firearm to fire.

        • try2makesenseorstfu@gmail.com
        • 9/21/2013 4:50 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Tell us where exactly in this letter did the SBX CEO state that they were refusing service to open-carry customers?

        • Sparqx
        • 9/21/2013 2:53 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        SBX is not refusing service to gun owners. Perhaps you didn't read the letter. It's a polite request, not a demand, to just leave your firearm in the car, please, when you visit the store. You could be the one freaking others out, and when others leave because you arrive, then who's causing the problem?

        • mrsburlygirl
        • 9/22/2013 2:25 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Actually - Starbucks asked you respect their wishes, never said they were going to refuse service to anyone...but then again, I guess if you are carrying a gun, maybe you figure the rule are "at your discretion". I, however, as a gun toting chicka, have absolutely no problem with respecting their wishes...and I'll ask you this: where IS it okay to say "no guns"...and if I follow your "for dramatic effect" examples, so maybe kids and teachers SHOULD be carrying guns to school?

        • rbobbln@yahoo.com
        • 9/29/2013 12:33 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        I'm with ya! when does logic take over? DC/California/Chicago ratchet up the gun control and crime rates go up too.
        If I have to take off my conceal weapon everytime I go in for coffee at starbucks I will probably think twice.

        Remember Luby's Cafeteria shooting? I don't want to be the only guy without a gun when a lunatic comes in with a gun.

        • mgrotke
        • 10/9/2013 11:03 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        "SBX is refusing service to the 80,000,000 or so law-abiding gun owners in the USA. Not smart to turn away the best customers they could have."

        Did you even read Howard's letter fully? He SPECIFICALLY said employees would not confront gun carriers or "turn them away".

        He is ASKING gun owners not to bring their guns because that makes many customers uncomfortable and he's trying to promote a relaxing environment.

        • sdille
        • 10/15/2013 4:19 PM
        • sierraalphaindia@gmail.com
        • 10/30/2013 7:40 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        It's a good idea to try and distinction between cause and effect.

        • Chevfan3
        • 9/17/2013 10:27 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        The majority of what people? Please supply some facts and stop spouting your opinion.....

        • wbrandolph@bresnan.net
        • 9/17/2013 10:41 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Um, no.. the OVERWHELMING majority in the United States are on in favor of the 2nd Amendment.... i.e. most people in the United States are in favor of upholding the United States Constitution... partially because they are not so MORONIC as to be unaware that unreasonable weapon restrictions ALWAYS result in increased violent crime.... simple fact.. it may bother you.. but.... 2+2 = 4.. not 97.5.....

        • ugummys-541@yopmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:42 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Really? Please show me those facts, because the facts I've seen reported are that gun sales are UP while crime is DOWN and the people in Colorado just recalled two Democrats that voted AGAINST the will of the people.

        • admin@iconstitution.us
        • 9/17/2013 10:51 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Please read up a little. We have gun control. It is not currently enforced. If it was a man with mental problems would not have been able to by a shotgun and have top secret clearance to a military base. Ask yourself this one simple question. Why has every major shooting with the exception of one in the last 50 years taken place in Gun Free Zones? This is including the most recent on a Navy Base where even our trained soldiers were not allowed to protect themselfs.

        • neil@peac.ca
        • 9/18/2013 3:41 AM

        In reply to: admin@iconstitution.us

        Where I live, in Canada, we have virtually no gun violence and strict gun laws. Talk amongst yourselves......

        • wanderer711@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 1:51 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Actually, no they aren't. The majority of people in this country already know there IS Gun Control in place. The Majority are the Gun Owners who started supporting starbucks when the Gun Grabbers tried to boycott them. This is a thinly veiled threat to those same people that they are no longer welcome.

        • dfn1947sd@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:16 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        "majority of people in this country want some gun control"

        If that were true, their would have been more worthless gun laws passed in congress. .

        • Jefferson'sRolling
        • 9/18/2013 4:35 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Maltese, I hope you or a family member is never a victim of a crime in a "Gun Free" zone where law abiding, permit carrying gun owners who passed a background check (yes they're already in place!!!) are prohibited from protecting you and yours and have to watch sadly as a psychopath who cares nothing about laws or requests to leave firearms at home commits a heinous crime that otherwise could have been prevented or limited.

        • darleneelliott.salem@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 7:46 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        If the majority of people wanted it, Harry Reid wouldn't be saying he doesn't have the votes. Just this morning, out of 54 friends on facebook, 30 of them are going to boycott. Wake up!

        • obloodyhell@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:13 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        The majority of people in this country do not want MORE gun control, and it's pretty clear from the events in Colorado that this is the case.

        While this is certainly within the rights of Starbucks' CEO, it is also within my rights to take my business elsewhere, as will many many others... something like 80 MILLION potential customers are likely to take issue with this. I don't think that's a smart move -- because it's going to happen in ALL states not just the ones that allow CC.

        • ProudAmerican46
        • 9/18/2013 11:21 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Yes, most criminals will be happy to hear they are less likely to shot by someone defending themselves in Starbucks...not sure if they will stop to buy a coffee though. Hey maybe if you get held up in a Starbucks or a crazed gunman comes in and starts shooting the place up, you can throw your coffee at him, I'm sure that will hold him off for 10-15min until the cops show up..the guys you call with guns to protect you....

        • cwdloneranger@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:10 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        You do not know of what you speak. Nor do you speak for the majority of this country. Howard's business will suffer as a result, unless you can step up and drink all the coffee I and millions would have drank everyday ......and I do not speak for even a majority of them. Life Member, VFW

        • 2bowlings
        • 9/18/2013 2:43 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Really? You must read only the Huffington Post.

        • purebass04@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:54 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Check your facts... Recent polls have found that an overwhelming majority of Americans do NOT favor gun control. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but your bigotry makes you sound uninformed and quite frankly, like an idiot...

        • uflizzard@aol.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:19 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        LoL !!! What are you talking about?
        No the majority of the Country does not want gun control. And that is why (2) Colorado Law Makers were voted out of office recently. Under Bill Clinton's Assault Weapon Ban, The Country witnessed the largest Shoot-out in North Hollywood, CA when 2 gunmen used BANNED AK-47's. Proving Criminals do not obey the laws. I bet people in that Colorado Movie Theater wished (1) person had a gun to fight back with when people were being murdered.

        • Arpetti
        • 9/18/2013 8:59 PM

        In reply to: uflizzard@aol.com

        One person with a gun in the dark of a movie theater trying to shoot the shooter wld cause more chaos and deaths. Bcz the shooter had an automatic weapon, by the time you got your gun out many wld be already dead, and your gunfire wld make you the next target.

        • blah@whitecarpet.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:18 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Maltese and her lib comment. Right out of the box, she insults gun owners. And you know what, screw it; I'll stoop to her level, I'm tired of being nice. I'm sure you are some 20 something hipster who hasn't ever experienced the real world. You probably occupied wall street as well. I'm sure you hate the military and police as well. If you weren't such a dope, you'd have realized that the Starbucks owner asked for cooperation from gun owners to not open carry. Looks like CC from now on.

        • TruthBHad
        • 9/19/2013 10:59 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        . Sept 17 CEO announced the "Non-Gun thing", Previous Close of Starbucks Stock was $77.33 per share, now it is trading in or around $76.47 a share. But look at the nice like chart to the left of your screen at the link (it's below too).
        http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SBUX

        Yeah, you may want to rethink that..

        • rep246810@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 12:58 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Trust you? why? who are you? How would you know this. I have certainly heard the opposite. Americans are tired of special interest and political power grabbing at the expense of lawful, respectful citizens with constitutional rights.

        • martin@texas.net
        • 9/19/2013 4:23 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Well, I'm shredding my Starbucks cards....

        • halinesgames@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 4:29 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Not True-that is what O says but if it were true they would already have gotten all the guns. Just like his illegal election. He's a cheat, a fake, a fraud,and a traitor. Thats why we have a constitution to protect us from people like him & you.

        • PJOchsner@hotmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 11:27 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        You are dead wrong! They have lost me as a customer and the majority of people in this country do NOT want Gun Control.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:25 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        i would vote for drug control first.......they've ALL been medicated

        • fuzzcube@hotmail.com
        • 9/21/2013 10:37 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Dear Mr. Schultz,
        I strongly support your right to dictate or in your case request what is and what is not wanted within your private property. Private property and ownership rights are paramount in this country, or at least should be. That said, I will end my 1820 year patronage of your establishments and products, thereby exerting my right as a consumer. I do this because I will not patronize a business who's leader bows down to public pressure instead of standing on principle.

        • wpdeadrat1@q.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:19 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        What is a "gun-toting tea bagger?" Sounds like something a third-grader might say.

        • brox69@comcast.net
        • 9/17/2013 10:48 PM

        In reply to: wpdeadrat1@q.com

        A third grader whose parents failed to teach manners and respect for others.

        • seanserrels@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:29 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        This comment cracked me up.. His tone, repeated over and over, was one basically screaming "We don't want to take a side in this issue.." saying things like:

        "We believe that gun policy should be addressed by government and law enforcement—not by Starbucks and our store partners."

        And your take away is "Stand up to gun toting tea baggers.." It's as bad as the gun rights people screaming that Starbucks is disarming them.. They're not standing for or against the issue....

        • seanserrels@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:30 PM

        In reply to: seanserrels@gmail.com

        He just doesn't want it debated in Starbucks.. and it sounds like his motivation is the safety of his customers and employees because the debates in Starbucks are becoming too heated.

        • isaac.ritter@doane.edu
        • 9/17/2013 10:30 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Gosh, for someone who's probably against hate speech and all for tolerance in all walks of life, thats a pretty hateful message.

        • jabwocky
        • 9/17/2013 11:18 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Maltese, that is an extremely ignorant statement, there are over 100 million gun owners in the United States and I know a LOT of democrats that own them, open carry them, and even have concealed carry permits, I also know republicans, some independents (my self included), and even a couple Tea Party people, which are actually a small portion of our population, at least be informed before you type... it only makes you look bad, not knowing what you are talking about.

        • ibrrussell@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 12:26 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Interesting comment which makes me wonder who does your thinking for you. I carry concealed just about everywhere and I despise 'tea bagger' mindlessness with as much if not more zeal than you. Oh, and by the way, if we are in the same Starbucks and a crazed gunman enters, demonstrating life threatening behavior, I will make no distinction defending with deadly force persons on any race, color, creed, religion, or sexual orientation. You're in there somewhere.

        • creech_c@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 12:36 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        How many shooting has their been at a starbucks?

        • threedeesmax@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:39 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Yeah, it's SO much better to cater to anti-Constitutional "progressive" haters like maltese77. Starbucks, you just succeeded in losing a substantial percentage of your revenue because you decided to become anti-American and pro-socialist. Stupid move.

        • dbs54neigh@earthlink.net
        • 9/18/2013 8:27 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        You are the incendiary anti-gunner Howard to whom Howard refers. You are as much to blame for the divisiveness of the debate as anyone. Especially with your sexually-charged name-calling.

        • NormalJoe
        • 9/18/2013 8:55 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Please don't confuse the claims of the liberal media. Over 50% of households own guns and the liberal media is increasing those numbers daily. The reason your politicians do not even vote on gun control is the massive amounts of normal gun owning citizens that contact them. This has nothing to do with the Tea Party, the NRA, the Nation Gun Rights Assoc, or the NSSF.. These are your neighbors and Starbucks customers.

        • frankdeb1999@reagan.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:02 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        I am sorry you missed the point of Mr Schultz's letter. He was very diplomatic in his writing above.. When you name call it reflects on your intelligence and communication skills... Please try to be more civil in your next post.. Thank's for letting me respond.

        • moxiemon@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:27 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        I completely agree with most of your comment. Starbuck's stance is RIGHT, INTELLIGENT, AND COMMON SENSE. I'm part of a coffee group that meets here every Sunday morning. Love it! However, I am a non-gun-toting-tea-bagger, strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. A [former] NRA member, I own guns and have a CWP. Unfortunately, Mr. Schultz had to make this statement because to many "no-brainers" don't see that this matter is a no-brainer. GOTTA HAVE MY VENTI CARAMEL MOCHA!!!!!

        • henning123@msn.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:11 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        You realize of course that not all 250,000 people who carry weapons in WA State are tea partiers... And that most people who open carry also have a concealed pistol license, and simply pull their shirts over it and go into Starbucks anyway...?

        • ddw1959@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:31 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Dittos! Good on SBX and Mr. Schultz. and a big 'frak you' to maltese77 for being a bigotted jerk who labels all gun owners as tea-baggers... (which means you think they engage ina very specific sexual act??)

        • aae_d0g@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:37 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Funny, He did not "Stand up" to anyone... but I will let you go on believing that. Also where can i post the This house does not believe in gun ownership yard sign? Please email me your address....

        • soldierboy_343@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:40 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        You have now turned a once safe feeling place to enjoy coffee into a now circumstantial "gun free zone". What can now transpire is another senseless slaughter of ignorant sheeple. I feel my 2nd amendment right has been infringed and I wont put myself in a situation to be taken advantage of by criminals. It's safe to say you've lost my business as well as my friends and families. I hope your profits see a significant hit and you see your mistake brought on by your blatant ignorance.

        • obloodyhell@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:15 AM

        In reply to: soldierboy_343@hotmail.com

        When someone decides to shoot up a starbucks because they can rest assured there are not likely to be any guns there -- IT'S ON THEIR HEADS as much as the shooters.

        Because they've said to anyone like that "Hey, wolves, come get us, we're bleating sheep, and we've chased away all the sheepdogs. Please come get us!!"

        • eahinnant
        • 9/28/2013 8:33 PM

        In reply to: soldierboy_343@hotmail.com

        Sheeple? Why shouldn't any business be able to ask customers to not bring guns inside their place of business? What about banks, jewelers, credit unions, casinos? If guns aren't allowed there, why pick on Starbucks? If people who own guns can't leave their guns in their locked cars while they go inside to have a cup of coffee because they are afraid of being shot, maybe they shouldn't go out at all. Think of all the gun violence that would never happen if ALL gun owners stayed home.

        • ProudAmerican46
        • 9/18/2013 11:12 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Whose going to stand up to the criminals? Or are they going to listen to this "request" as well?

        • raymonddiazpublicrelations@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:15 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        @ maltese77.bs@gmail.com, I am a liberal voting Democrat and I own several firearms including an AR15. For you to consider anyone who supports 2nd amendment rights including the right if applicable in their state to open carry as being a "gun toting tea bagger" is ignorant. However, I'm not complaining. Continue forth in your ignorance because that is how 2nd amendment supporters will win.

        • rightspeedservice@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:57 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        You should re-read the letter. Apparently you don't understand that he did not ban guns from the stores. He requested they not be brought, but said they are not banned. I believe the reason for the letter is that he no longer wants his stores to be political battle grounds. It's not the presence of guns that's causing lack of peace in the stores; it's the presence of loud, opinionated protestors (from both sides).

        • jonraab@rocketmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 1:47 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        No really we do not want gun control. If you pay any attention to these shooting you'll notice they all take place in gun free zones. Now how is that possible if guns aren't allowed in those places. Maybe next time someone should tell them guns aren't allowed there.

        • HenryPercy
        • 9/18/2013 3:25 PM

        In reply to: jonraab@rocketmail.com

        Really? Ft. Hood is a gun free Zone? US Navy Yard a gun free zone? Amazing!

        • purebass04@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:58 PM

        In reply to: HenryPercy

        Actually, yes, they are both "gun free zones". Thanks to Clinton, the only people that can carry a gun on a military base are the on-duty base law enforcement. Sounds like you don't have a clue what you are talking about Henry.

        SIGNED
        Somebody who has been Active Duty US Air Force for almost 10 years and continues to serve our Country.

        PS: What are you doing for your country?

        • kevinr@just-hunt.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:41 PM

        In reply to: HenryPercy

        Henry, your ignorance is astounding. Have you served in the military? Doubtful. If you did serve you would know that ordinary military cannot possess firearms on base. They must be checked in and held at the armory or not brought on board at all. No guns at the barracks either! Only "some" of the gate guards and base police are armed. Get passed the gate and it's open season. Educate yourself. I spent 8 yrs in the USMC. We only had our M-16s when training or deploying - otherwise in armory only.

        • eahinnant
        • 9/28/2013 8:40 PM

        In reply to: jonraab@rocketmail.com

        Gun right advocates can't have it both ways: consider the biggest problem to be criminals or the mentally ill getting a hold of guns AND "gun free" zones the problem. Obviously, the criminals and mentally ill wouldn't care (or understand) about "gun free" zones; if they did, they wouldn't be criminals or mentally ill.

        • KEHinWA
        • 9/18/2013 2:21 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        So for those who are not good at understanding consequences. You will have fewer easygoing law/rule following gun owners in the stores. You will continue to have rule challenging, or more aggressive or illegal gun owners in the stores.

        For those of you who just wanted to feel safe, you just got less safe. The Colorado Theater shooter drove past a Theater with no gun policy and killed people in the posted "Gun Free" theater. Feeling over facts AGAIN sigh...

        • frobinsjr@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:13 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Of course! Gun control works so very well. That must be why the crime rate in Chicago is so low. For all the time that they've had gun control.

        I control my firearms very well.

        I'm for idiot control. Any time some idiot who doesn't know jack about firearms tries to talk with me about gun control, they need a keeper. Let's face it, if we had more law-abiding citizens with firearms, we would have fewer criminals doing as they please. And, yes, I can prove that.

        • lakevermillion@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:32 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Now THERE'S a productive comment!

        I am pro gun rights. Period. Yes, in a country where firearms are allowed, certain things high profile will occur.I do not allow outliers, no matter how tragic, to influence my central opinion.

        I respect Mr. Schultzs opinion here and will honor it.
        That's what we've lost, these days. Respect for the value of the individual and his or her right to make a personal decision, be it owning firearms or requesting that firearms not be carried on the premises.

        • lakevermillion@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:33 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Now THERE'S a productive comment!

        I am pro gun rights. Period. Yes, in a country where firearms are allowed, certain things high profile will occur.I do not allow outliers, no matter how tragic, to influence my central opinion.

        I respect Mr. Schultzs opinion here and will honor it.
        That's what we've lost, these days. Respect for the value of the individual and his or her right to make a personal decision, be it owning firearms or requesting that firearms not be carried on the premises.

        • neadhlp@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:49 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        It's good to see when people hold up a big sign saying "I'm an ignorant idiot and that's the way I like it" like maltese77 did. By the way, don't let any facts or logic factor into your liberal fanaticism or you might lose your edge. 50,000,000 law abiding gun owners think you are an idiot.

        • akedom@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:09 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        He is not standing up, he is caving in to all of the namby pamby anti-guners, just creating another gun free site that is open to anything a crinimal wants to do, because they do not care about laws or requests from business owners.

        He has just lost some customers, not only from buying at the stores, but also any of their coffee products.

        • zazbnf769@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 5:48 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Suuuure they do. That is why the anti gun rallies in Illinois have been so well attended.
        http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/10-people-show-up-to-anti-gun-protest-in-springfield-illinois---lmao/question-3883967/?link=ibaf&q=&esrc=s
        The problem is the anti gunners will move on to their next cause. But Gun owners will not forget. What is the next cause anyway? Maybe, let ***** tits Bob the transtesticle freak marry his pet goat? After all he should have a right to interspecies marriage.

        • mltndwnau@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 5:44 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        I guess the most obvious response to your post would be to ask "what about the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of gun owners who do not belong to the Tea Party?" Your thinking is a bit, shallow, no? Further, what is the practical impact of the shocking naivete of this "open letter"? Think about it - there are crazy sick people out there; some with guns. Starbucks may now be considered by those intent on wreaking havok, a prime target. This is a dangerous invite.

        • kkstein@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 2:03 PM

        In reply to: mltndwnau@gmail.com

        I'm just not buying the argument that an armed civilian customer is going to successfully defend Starbucks patrons or employees against someone entering the store and spraying bullets. It is so incredibly rare that that happens. Granted, a civilian with a gun might shoot the gunman after the fact, but so might a cop called to the scene. Armed civilians do not regularly prevent loss of life or serious injury in the face of some lunatic with a gun.

        • Zepaholic
        • 9/19/2013 6:17 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        First of all maltese77.bs, I am not a tea bagger nor am I a tea partier. Your name calling takes away from your statement. Please STOP the name calling & make a relevant argument.
        I like many others SUPPORT the 2nd amendment. I do not like to open carry. I prefer to carry concealed where it is legal. Also, I will continue to carry CCW when I continue to go to Starbucks.
        Have a nice day.

        • iaanstormweaver@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 10:10 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Lol, true - Like the tea bagger running wild through that movie theater...oh, wait. He was a liberal. Sorry. Well, how about that tea bagger running wild through the school in Connecticut...oh, wait. He was a liberal, too. Hmmm. Ya know, now that I think about it, every single perpetrator of a mass shooting/massacre during the past five or so years has either been a Muslim, a Muslim sympathizer, and/or...wait for it...wait for it...A LIBERAL! Imagine that!

        • CaptainJimGreen@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 10:56 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Howard Schultz' statement was extremely irresponsible because he just drove away a lot business from those of us who are patriotic law-abiding citizens. I will not patronize an establishment that throws the Constitution under the bus. Good-bye forever Starbucks!

        • jtgilman1@hotmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 1:02 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        So much for being "responsible and respectful"...this is what's wrong with America. We can't have a civil discussion without name calling and political games

        • halinesgames@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 4:26 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Look here sweetie. I am not a Democrat-I am not a Republican-I am not a "Teabagger" and resent your lables. I am an American citizen and should I choose to do or not to do as they have asked your comment is not appreciated. The constitution guarantees me the right to carry my gun and you who are clearly one of O's sheeple do not have the right to take that away from me......got it! Amazingly enough, I haven't killed anyone yet. Can you even imagine, someone who doesn't kill people but has a gun?

        • V8TBirds
        • 9/19/2013 8:27 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        You show yourself to be a bigot. Why don't you just do us all a favor and remove yourself from society?

        • wardog48160@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 8:33 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        How many gun "incidents" have there been in Starbucks? None? Are you that ignorant? EACH one of the mass shootings occurred in so called Gun Free Zones. I am licensed to carry. If Starbucks chooses to become a Gun Free Zone, we will NEVER patronize them again. They are not going to burden me with trying to defend the life of some name-calling Occupier, crook and crazy (usually one in the same). My tea bag is in their face! I commended Starbucks earlier when they stood up to the crazies. Not now.

        • charlesfackre@yahoo.com
        • 9/20/2013 10:39 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Maltese77,
        I'm not a Tea Partyer, but it seems unnecessary to resort to name-calling off the bat. In any case, Starbucks has invited criminals to rob customers at gunpoint with less of a threat of being shot. Do you think it is mere coincidence that the Colorado Batman shooter drove past several movie theaters to commit his murders in a theater that banned guns? I will stay away from Starbucks for good.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:24 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        YOU just did what he was trying NOT to do.........please please STOP the cycle, it just goes around and around in a circle of hate....the "good for you" would have been fine...the world would be much better off without the name calling ON BOTH/ALL sides.

        • kertolo@yahoo.com
        • 9/21/2013 8:44 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        And Howard claimed the gun owners are uncivil. Give me a break.

        • gegeneis@aol.com
        • 9/21/2013 8:46 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        Those "gun toting tea baggers" have the RIGHT as specified by the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution. How would it be if we stop your first amendment right to have free speech?

        When your you have a home invasion remember that the help is only 15 minutes away or in the case of Detroit, an hour away. The ability to carry a concealed weapon does not infringe on your rights. Should Starbucks be like the Sturmabteilung?
        Those that give up their freedoms for safety deserve neither.

        • mtgarcia62@aol.com
        • 9/21/2013 9:29 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        While Mr. Schultz is asking us to not practice our Constitutional rights he has neglected to tell us all that he himself enjoys the security provided by world class bodyguards. Most of whom are those "right wing tea baggers" you love to hate. Hypocritical ? Just a bit.

        • esanford1@gmail.com
        • 9/24/2013 11:10 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        At least he handled it with more class than you... you are obviously an ignorant lib who with no class....

        • a14ben@gmail.com
        • 9/25/2013 7:35 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        "gun toting tea baggers", really! What rock did you crawl out from under. Do you not know what the 2nd amendment says about gun rights. I don't think you do based on your comment, so I have provided it below.

        "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

        • fnwsi@hotmail.com
        • 9/26/2013 3:32 PM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        "Gun toting tea baggers".. yep, keep this type of customer, Starbucks. I'll go to a pro-American coffee shop instead :)

        • strikeer@gmail.com
        • 9/30/2013 5:59 AM

        In reply to: maltese77.bs@gmail.com

        And gun toting Democrat Liberals like myself who believes in the Constitution and the right to bear arms. Get real. This issue affects all americans. Stop thinking in that context.

      • Crusader2010
      • 9/17/2013 11:55 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I don't drink coffee so It's no big deal, but legally they have to post on the door of the businesses the no firearms logo in AZ. to stop people from open carrying in the store.

        • clearskiesx@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 12:11 AM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        Same in TX, but it's a specific state sign called the 30.06. Any other sign or notice doesn't count for crap. With the 30.06 sign it becomes a misdemeanor. Now, an employee of said store can ask you to leave if they know you are armed but I don't really see that happening.

        • johngaltsatlas@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:03 AM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        The same sign that just may as well be an invitation to a criminal. The looney libtard left never ceases to amaze me with their sheer stupidity.

        • flying_tigress9@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:42 AM
        • neadhlp@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:54 PM

        In reply to: johngaltsatlas@yahoo.com

        I think I have a man crush on you :)

        • snarlingkitty@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 6:27 AM
        • PJOchsner@hotmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 11:31 AM

        In reply to: johngaltsatlas@yahoo.com

        I agree. Would you post a sign on your home that said "This is a gun free zone?" Why would you post it on your business. Do anyone think that CRIMINALS are going to obey the law? Criminals are the ones who will take a gun into Starbucks and why not. They know no one will stop them.

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 2:51 PM

        In reply to: PJOchsner@hotmail.com

        It's not about criminals here, it's about keeping someone from carrying a gun into the store. It generally makes people feel uncomfortable

        • rebga1@gmail.com
        • 9/21/2013 6:27 AM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        Well how uncomfortable are they going to feel when some crazy nut case job decides to target their nearest SB location since all Starbucks just became ready-made shooting galleries? If they think just past their noses, they'll hopefully realize that conceal-carry customers were the best and only defense they had against these nut-cases sprinkled about our society. The cops never arrive in time.

        • fnwsi@hotmail.com
        • 9/26/2013 3:34 PM

        In reply to: johngaltsatlas@yahoo.com

        Agreed! And they want to drink at Starbucks where they'll be "safe". I guess they think people who break the law also read signs.. silly little liberals ^^

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:48 AM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        Not in this case since the decision came from corporate and was announced in the media.

        • ftfunari@comcat.net
        • 9/18/2013 2:44 PM

        In reply to: modres@hotmail.com

        All anyone needs to see is Starbucks is a major contributor to the Progressive/ Demoslop/ Libtard party. I don't care if they said you can bring in a machine gun there over priced coffee will never get a dime from me I dont support Libtards.

        • smugdoug
        • 9/18/2013 3:55 PM

        In reply to: ftfunari@comcat.net

        You obviously don't support your mother tongue, the English language, either.

        • midlifemama61@gmail.com
        • 9/22/2013 2:28 PM

        In reply to: ftfunari@comcat.net

        Nor do the "libtards" support "rethuglicans." Glad we got all that cleared up.
        What a silly way to behave. Seriously. It's not wonder the right wing is such disarray. You all behave as if you're a bunch of six-year-old boys in the sandbox.

        • higgledy@gmail.com
        • 9/24/2013 6:43 PM

        In reply to: midlifemama61@gmail.com

        and you all behave like a bunch of cows in line to be milked.

        • Churchswife
        • 9/18/2013 10:35 AM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        Important to stress again that this isn't a ban and they're not planning on prosecuting anyone for anything. They're literally just requesting that customers not carry in store. There's no need for posted signs, there's not going to be a refusal of service or a barista calling the cops if you're in the lobby with a firearm or asking you to leave.

        It's just a request to respectfully remove the company from the gun control debate and to put customers and partners at ease.

        • obloodyhell@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:17 AM

        In reply to: Churchswife

        So it's a request that the sheepdogs surrender to the senseless fears of the bleating sheep.

        Don't think so. I don't plan to be a victim of wolves because the sheep are stupid.

        Sooner or later, there's going to be an attack at a starbucks, and the victim count will be much greater because no one there was armed.

        • snarlingkitty@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 6:32 AM

        In reply to: obloodyhell@yahoo.com

        Once again, agreed.Baaahhh. Then where will they be? The righties always coming in to clean the lefties mess

        • Madmouse01
        • 9/20/2013 9:44 AM
        • bburt73@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:00 PM

        In reply to: Churchswife

        You are getting support for this from gun owners, since you only mentioned open carry, and I've always felt that if someone wanted to rob me, they would likely kill me, if I was open carrying. Concealed carry is much safer, as no one knows. People do open carry in groups, simply because it is in our state laws, and if you don't use it, you lose it.

        • Dragonkind
        • 9/19/2013 8:41 AM

        In reply to: bburt73@gmail.com

        "...we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.". Nowhere do I see it say "don't bring visible guns into our stores". Also, taken verbatim from SBX internal partner memo: "...we would like to make it clear that weapons are not welcome in our stores" What is unclear about that? They don't want weapons, PERIOD.

        • DCARCHITECT@YAHOO.COM
        • 9/27/2013 4:44 AM

        In reply to: Dragonkind

        they still think its safe for Law enforcement guns. The rest of the world and victims of genocide would disagree.
        Gun control leads to government sponsored genocide http://jpfo.org/pdf02/genocide-chart.pdf
        They should be consistent, no guns, ok none. no corrupted government guns either.

        • JamesCalif
        • 9/19/2013 10:24 AM

        In reply to: bburt73@gmail.com

        http://practicaltacticalpodcast.com/starbucks/

        • snarlingkitty@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 6:33 AM

        In reply to: Churchswife

        but yet this is where it all starts.

        • jamesgjurovich@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 12:11 AM

        In reply to: Churchswife

        churcheswife

        And what do they do when someone walks in carrying? Ignore him? I highly doubt that.

        • PJOchsner@hotmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 12:08 PM

        In reply to: Churchswife

        I disagree. They have put themselves into the gun control debate by issuing this "request". And as for putting customers at "ease", what a laugh. It's inviting the criminal element in to rob the place. That doesn't put me at ease.

        • aae_d0g@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:38 AM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        Have to post on ALL doors entering and exiting the establishment... not just the front door. ( or so it is here in Mn)

        • rep246810@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 1:01 PM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        dude, its not a requirement. just a request.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:26 PM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        concealed carry means just that...so i hope to god that all the responsible people will KEEP their gun on them to help out if need be

        • gegeneis@aol.com
        • 9/21/2013 8:49 AM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        What else does Starbucks have the "legal" right to do? It is their store! Think back on the 50's in the south.

        • pestyali@aol.com
        • 9/22/2013 12:26 PM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        Just what the bad guy will look for....

        • pestyali@aol.com
        • 9/22/2013 12:29 PM

        In reply to: Crusader2010

        Exactly what a bad guy will first look for....

      • taperkins@sazs.com
      • 9/18/2013 12:25 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      well
      I will no longer buying coffee from you a your liberal ball less leaders. loved your coffee,spent 60 to 100 dollars a wk there, on myself and employees. see ya, you coffee money grubbing libs

      • Figanootz@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 2:31 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Open carry is stupid anyway. I'll just keep carrying a concealed weapon.

        • Jefferson'sRolling
        • 9/18/2013 4:56 AM

        In reply to: Figanootz@gmail.com

        Bingo Figanootz. Schultz specifically mentions "open carry" five times in his letter. Open carry, that is, carrying a weapon in plain sight and not concealed on one's person, if very controversial. Law abiding concealed carry permit holders can and will continue to do so with nobody realizing. So, Dear Mr. Schultz, I will respect your wishes and not "open carry" in your stores. Problem solved. Move on.

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:51 AM

        In reply to: Jefferson'sRolling

        No, if you read Schultz' memo carefully, he is asking that customers "no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel."

        If you are carrying concealed and you walk into a Starbucks, you are bringing a firearm into the store.

        He went FURTHER by including open carry states.

        • tjd3699@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:08 AM

        In reply to: Jefferson'sRolling

        thank you for an intelligent reply. What the public doesn't know won't freak them out. Carrying should be concealed and discrete. My husband has a ccp and I rarely know when he's carrying. I've seen pics on line of people, ok men, with an AR-15 type weapon slung across their backs in Starbucks. Please, what does that besides make some people very uncomfortable.

        • obloodyhell@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:23 AM

        In reply to: tjd3699@yahoo.com

        Happens all the time in Switzerland, but, not being bleating sheep, they think nothing of it.

        I have no intention of getting senselessly killed in a "gun free zone" openly advertised to be such by a company, because some maniac comes in and goes postal, and no one there is armed and able to stop him short of killing dozens.

        Average death toll of sprees in gun free zones: 15
        Average death toll of sprees in relaxed carry places: 2 (including the shooter)

        • HenryPercy
        • 9/18/2013 3:28 PM
        • wonderland@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 4:22 AM
        • Law_Abiding_Citizen
        • 9/19/2013 3:43 PM

        In reply to: obloodyhell@yahoo.com

        obloodyhell, this is one of the best posts yet. Gun-free zones are the least safe places in America, as made indisputably clear by the massing-shootings that have happened in these zones. The only people these zones deter from having guns are the law-abiding. The insanity and tragedy of such zones is that they actually attract the very maniacal killers that we want to keep away, because it makes them the lowest risk places to commit mass murder during the minutes before the police arrive.

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 2:53 PM

        In reply to: obloodyhell@yahoo.com

        Well, let's think. If the maniac didn't have a gun in the first place this couldn't happen.

        • DCARCHITECT@YAHOO.COM
        • 9/27/2013 4:52 AM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        if a maniac wants to kill some people, he will do so. whether with a gun or a knife, a bomb, or a axe or a chainsaw. You cannot make rules to convert a person's inner mental state, nor the resulting actions. Disarm the protectors and you have victims. Open carry is my putting crazies on notice, no you will not, not on my watch, hurt other people. It is inconvienant to open carry. When i do so it is for the protection of others, when I am with my family in public settings, especially after dark.

        • flying_tigress9@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:43 AM

        In reply to: Jefferson'sRolling

        I have a cc permit, and I won't......I don't patronize liberal fools.

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:49 AM

        In reply to: Figanootz@gmail.com

        But legally, while their request does not have the "force of law," the reality is that you CAN be arrested if someone sees that you are carrying and you don't leave.

        • Churchswife
        • 9/18/2013 10:40 AM

        In reply to: modres@hotmail.com

        I don't know where you live, but in Seattle, they wouldn't arrest you for carrying if anyone were to request you leave (which, as the letter clearly states no one is going to do). If you're being disruptive and happen to have a weapon on you, it's a different story, but that could be said on any other day before this. If a customer is being disruptive and is asked to leave and they refuse, police are called. You're not going to get arrested for refusing to leave, but you will be escorted out.

        • aae_d0g@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:40 AM

        In reply to: modres@hotmail.com

        not arrested but get your point....

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:28 PM

        In reply to: Figanootz@gmail.com

        I support that decision and appreciate both sides.....concealed means concealed=good idea for tons of reasons

      • ironswamp@msn.com
      • 9/18/2013 3:23 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I like to see statistics for say the next 3 months to compare with prior statistics for crimes that take place after this request. I'm not opposed to this request I'm just curious if there is a change.

        • obloodyhell@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:25 AM

        In reply to: ironswamp@msn.com

        If there is one, it won't be a pleasant change.

        I mean, anyone aware of ANY shootings so far at a Starbucks? Particularly in an OC or CC state?

        So the best you can hope for is for there NOT to be a shooting.

        • PJOchsner@hotmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 12:21 PM

        In reply to: obloodyhell@yahoo.com

        Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) -- A quick-thinking patrol officer is credited with foiling a holdup at a Starbucks in Henderson on Tuesday.

        You don't have to be a fortune teller to predict this one. They were fortunate that a patrol officer WITH A GUN dropped in.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:30 PM

        In reply to: ironswamp@msn.com

        i too would like to see if things change.....you can not "respectfully ask someone who doesn't care about life to care about peoples comfort"....seems a tiny bit silly....BUT, i understand the frustration if people are waving their guns around..that's just in poor taste

      • nhthinker@ROCK.COM
      • 9/18/2013 7:55 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Mass shooting in the USA, ever since 1954, have only occurred at places where guns are unwelcome.

      Liberals are idiots.

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:53 AM

        In reply to: nhthinker@ROCK.COM

        ironswamp, yes liberals are idiots. But let's face it, the ultimate goal is to rid society of guns.

        Of course, they will never be able to take guns away from criminals or the mentally deficient, but they don't care about that.

        It's like the war on drugs. It goes on and on and on and on without a win in sight. Drugs are part of society and so are guns.

        Even during the Prohibition, alcohol was readily available.

        Liberals ARE morons.

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 2:58 PM

        In reply to: modres@hotmail.com

        Consider that the rate of homicide in the us per 100,000 people using guns is 7 times higher than in Canada.

        • gravityrocks@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:11 AM

        In reply to: nhthinker@ROCK.COM

        The whole gun issue isn't just about mass shooting, it's about any shooting
        and many of those happen where guns are allowed, like a private home.

        • obloodyhell@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:30 AM

        In reply to: gravityrocks@gmail.com

        See, that's where you're wrong.

        The whole gun issue is that guns aren't ABOUT crime. Gun ownership is the distinction between being CITIZENS and being SERFS.

        "Any unarmed people are slaves, or are subject to slavery at any given moment."
        Huey Newton

        When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred.
        Niccolo Machiavelli

        • steph_quebec@hotmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 6:22 AM

        In reply to: obloodyhell@yahoo.com

        I'm always surprised to hear about this kind of argumentation. Here in Canada, owning a gun is not a right but a privilege. I had some guns years ago but now whit kids in the house, there is no more guns here. I don't feel safer, it is safer! When a 5 years old kid shoot his sister ( sooner this year) do you think it was just an accident!!!
        Oh, and Canadian citizens aren't slaves because They dont carry weapons!

        • nhthinker@rock.com
        • 9/18/2013 8:52 PM

        In reply to: gravityrocks@gmail.com

        The whole gun issue is not about "any shooting"...It's about irrational fear of the sight of legal self-defense tools fed by the media.. You want a worry about a rational fear at Starbucks? Try Hepatitis...

        • henning123@msn.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:26 AM

        In reply to: nhthinker@ROCK.COM

        I know plenty of liberals that own firearms...

        • aae_d0g@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:42 AM

        In reply to: nhthinker@ROCK.COM

        umm i think your mistaken... Only mass shooting since 1954 in a NON gun free zone was Gabby Gifford (spelling) in the Az parking lot... ALL others were committed in a gun free zone!

        • HenryPercy
        • 9/18/2013 3:31 PM

        In reply to: aae_d0g@yahoo.com

        Really? Ft. Hood is a gun free zone? The NAvy Ship Yard is a gun free zone? Amazing!

        • Dragonkind
        • 9/19/2013 8:51 AM

        In reply to: HenryPercy

        Actually, if you would take the time to research, the general carrying of firearms by anyone other than Military Police or security personnel on military bases is forbidden. Research - it prevents others from thinking you are stupid.

        • wardog48160@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 8:44 AM

        In reply to: HenryPercy

        There's a 93% chance that the Navy Ship Yard shooter was an Obama supporter. Hmmm. I did catch that part on the news. The ELF carved into his weapon: Extra Low Frequency sonar? I haven't heard that yet either. The whales and porpoises have....

        • PJOchsner@hotmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 12:22 PM

        In reply to: HenryPercy

        You can thank Clinton for that. Military posts should NOT be gun free zones but Clinton was an idiot.

        • DCARCHITECT@YAHOO.COM
        • 9/27/2013 5:00 AM

        In reply to: HenryPercy

        yes, Under president Clinton an executive order was issued banning military personnel from carrying weapons on base. so the Navy shipyard and all Forts are now gun free zones, you have to wait for the MPs to arrive just like waiting for the police outside of any base. Marines at Foreign Embassies are still armed but wait till Hillary is President and that may change as well.

        • halinesgames@yahoo.com
        • 9/19/2013 4:44 PM

        In reply to: nhthinker@ROCK.COM

        Ikr-people are so stupid. How can you people not see that these things happen in places where guns are NOT allowed. Open your eyes Sheeple.

        if they were being robbed they'd be darn glad you were sitting there with your 9mm (or whatever).

        BOYCOTTING SB BOYCOTTING SB BOYCOTTING SB

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:33 PM

        In reply to: nhthinker@ROCK.COM

        oooh, you were SOOOOO close to not repeating the cycle of hate...good fact though..thanks
        maybe next time you could say something like "labels are idiotic"....being that no-one really fits neatly in a little box.
        (p.s. i'm NOT a liberal, if you were just thinking that)
        and i have my concealed carry permit..i just tire of all the name calling and back on forth....."can't we all just get along"

      • NormalJoe
      • 9/18/2013 9:00 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      It is well said. And as a CHL holder I will honor the companies wishes, but that also means that I will be looking for somewhere else to do by business.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:36 PM

        In reply to: NormalJoe

        NICE NICE job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are the first person so far to not throw in a little bashing at the end.....i'm proud of you and proud of your decision
        i too will choose to shop elsewhere because it's just silly and now i know that most responsible gun owners will NOT be there anymore and so the safety of the place just went WAY WAY down : (
        which is a bummer because i've been going there for over 20 years

      • lynnpowellmacklin@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:14 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Thank you so much for making me feel safer! Starbucks Rocks!

        • aae_d0g@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:44 AM

        In reply to: lynnpowellmacklin@gmail.com

        HOW ARE YOU SAFER? please explain... All your doing is asking the LAW ABIDING gun owners to stop coming there... Since when do criminals follow laws or read the Starbuck's Comish's letters? Never ceases to amaze me!

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:00 PM

        In reply to: aae_d0g@yahoo.com

        That's the thing, you can't understand a simple message from the Starbucks CEO. It has nothing to do with criminals, simply that when someone carries a gun into an environment like Starbucks, people get scared. Here in Canada, what we would do in this situation is call 911 and the person gets arrested. Simple.

        • obloodyhell@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:33 AM

        In reply to: lynnpowellmacklin@gmail.com

        FEELING safer is not the same as BEING safer.

        But that fact will be lost on you until you find yourself getting shot at, at which point you may wish someone was nearby who had a gun to protect you. But that'll be much, much too late for you to do anything but bleat in terror.

        Chasing off the sheepdogs because they look kinda wolfish does not protect you from the wolves of the world.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:37 PM

        In reply to: lynnpowellmacklin@gmail.com

        you do realize that now most of the people who might come to your rescue if there was any danger have sworn the place off?
        people who have taken the time to get a concealed carry permit are NOT the ones shooting people up.....just saying

      • rjlasser@yahoo.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:23 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      While I respect and applaud the intent, implementing a rule that they won't post information about in stores, or enforce for that matter, dilutes the message they're trying to get across.

      • flying_tigress9@yahoo.com
      • 9/18/2013 11:33 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Howard, you exhibit the same lack of patriotism and personal integrity that you did at NMU...not surprised. The Majority of Americans are totally against any form of gun control, but thanks to liberal fools like you, we are headed for ruin..it's not America that is unexceptional, it's liberal Americans who are unexceptional. I have no interest in walkimg into a Starbucks nor will I buy your products. If someone pulls a concealed weapon in your stores, there will be no one to stop them.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:40 PM

        In reply to: flying_tigress9@yahoo.com

        FOcus on the fact that crazy school shooter people do NOT take the time to get a concealed carry permit....ahhhhhhh, MEDICATION ...follow the prescription medication trail...i believe "they" have all been on some type of prescribed DRUG
        but it's SOOOO much easier to talk about guns

      • irescueyou775@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 2:35 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I am a concealed carry holder and don't leave home without my gun. And as I will respect this opinion. As far as I am concerned you don't want my gun in the store you don't want me or my money either. I used to go to Starbucks daily or sometimes twice a day. Now it will be 0 times a day and none of your products sold in the stores as well.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:41 PM

        In reply to: irescueyou775@gmail.com

        ahhhhhhhhhhh...........please don't stop going out in public...you are the sane people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        i keep telling the other people that they need to appreciate that people who have taken the time to get a concealed carry permit are NOT the ones shooting people up...i don't see how people can't grasp that concept..too much TV

      • rgdelaluz
      • 9/18/2013 3:26 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      As a legally carrying conceal carry gun owner, I can see how "open carry" can make someone nervous and Starbucks has the right to control that; excluding police officers and other law enforcement personnel. Please... do not allow political advocates of their side use your stores to push this issue. Store attendance play a vital role to call law enforcement when they see any group gather for such activities.

      • minutemn@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 7:50 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Dear Schultzie:
      You're a grown man, you can have your own opinions. It's your company, you can set your company policies, preferences, and practices as a you like.

      But I'm a grown man, as well. I prefer to patronize businesses that honor my peaceful exercise of my rights.

      You-all who hate the presence of my insurance policy on my hip, well, drink lots of weak overpriced coffee. Somebody is going to have to take up the slack. Ya'll enjoy now, y'hear?

      • mountainwoman53
      • 9/18/2013 9:00 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Thank you very much Howard Schultz. I love what you stated.:)

      • robertraymartin
      • 9/18/2013 9:04 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Mr. Schultz,
      I have been a loyal Starbuck’s customer for 5+ years. I am also a law abiding concealed handgun permit holder. Although your letter did not specifically discuss lawful concealed handgun permit holders, your opening paragraph states “That’s why I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas.” I respectfully disagree with your position & will no longer make purchases or step foot in your establishments.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:48 PM

        In reply to: robertraymartin

        i see a trend.....a bad bad trend...all the polite, nice concealed carry people are NOT going in anymore
        this is bad bad bad for society.......I support you in your decision, i just WISH he hadn't said that so now it's a free zone for someone who doesn't care about a respectful request...and there will be no one in there who might save the day.

      • kjsharp100@hotmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 9:36 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Like alcohol - caffeine and ammo don't mix. Instead of trying to be polite about it, go ahead and put up a sign that bans weapons. You can't please everyone no matter what, so just do it. Schools ban guns, bars ban guns -- you can, too!

      • irescueyou775@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:10 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Since you have requested that I keep my guns out of your stores I will respect that but it means I will not be coming into your store for my 1 or 2 time daily trips.. I also threw away a pound of your coffee today and will also go to the extent of not shopping at stores where your kiosks are. Us gun owners are the owns who held an appreciation day for you not long ago and this is the way you thank us. Well I hope you enjoy the loss of mu business.

      • irescueyou775@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:14 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      By the way I am a military veteran with a concealed carry permit. I have carried daily since Oct. 29 2010 when a gunman walked into the Walmart I was in in Reno Nevada. And do you think the robber will go to a store that wants no guns or a store that welcomes guns? He is going to go to Starbucks because he will most likely not get shot. Wonderful protection for your employees and customers.

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:04 PM

        In reply to: irescueyou775@gmail.com

        What's there to steal at starbucks at gunpoint? A pound of veranda blend?

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 8:52 PM

        In reply to: irescueyou775@gmail.com

        isn't it just remarkable how people don't seem to put 2 and 2 together about this? someone actually said just "ban them like they do in schools"....i just simply asked "h0w's that working out?"
        ahhhhhhhhh.........i was going to cancel my account with starbucks but maybe still go in once in a while but now since it seems every single responsible carrier will be elsewhere, i've afraid my chances of being shot just went WAY WAY up

      • mustangx3
      • 9/18/2013 10:57 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I will honor Starbucks request to take my business elsewhere. Easy enough.

      • Cronos99
      • 9/19/2013 12:44 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Thanks mr Schultz for giving in to anti-gun hysteria. For all that loving you profess for your country you certainly seem to have forgotten the role that gun carrying citizens played in America's birth and freedom from British tyranny. Thanks for caving and making me feel unwelcome in yet another "all-American" establishment. I grew up in a third world dictatorship - trust me, you don't appreciate the freedom you have until its taken away in 'your own best interest.'

      • steph_quebec@hotmail.com
      • 9/19/2013 6:09 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Again, it's hard for us who doesn't live in USA to understand why Guns are so important, more than human lives. A few months ago, it was a 5 years old kid killing is Sister Whith A GUN MADE FOR KIDS!!! And now, as we can see, there is still a lot of american citizens Who didn't learn anything. In those circumstances, i can just applause to this letter, it help me believe That some people still believe that a life is more valuable than a right to own guns. I will drink more Starbucks coffee now!

        • rep246810@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 1:10 PM

        In reply to: steph_quebec@hotmail.com

        Because this was a country founded on escaping and putting down tyrannical governments on our soil. This is a country of liberty and justice for all...not just special interest. This is a country who mostly truly understand that my right to carry a weapon for self-defense of myself, my family & friends and YOU while out in public is a good thing. That to eliminate this allows more and more of these violent gun deaths to expand in frequency and number killed.

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:07 PM

        In reply to: rep246810@gmail.com

        In Canada, where you can't open carry, the rate of death by guns is 7x less. No guns, no problems.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:00 PM

        In reply to: steph_quebec@hotmail.com

        ummmmmm.......the people who support gun ownership are NOT the same people that are shooting everyone up
        and the ones shooting everyone up are all jacked up on prescription medication.....and i would appreciate you not coming here and then disrespecting people. While you are drinking more coffee just know that anyone that could have protected you has left

      • jjack2008@gmail.com
      • 9/19/2013 8:17 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      You have the right as the CEO to set this policy.
      As I have the right to spend my $ elsewhere.
      I hope you never have a instance where a CCW could have helped prevent a tragedy in one of your stores

      • marowil
      • 9/19/2013 11:18 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I support Starbucks position.
      This is not about Liberal , or Conservative.
      This is about how we choose to live.
      I am a "Conservative", and I see no reason why anyone needs to carry a gun into Starbucks, or any place, for that matter.
      Is this a Macho-thing, fashion statement, or protecting us from the Russians?
      Go hunting, Go to a firing range, go to your gun club, but not to a store, restaurant or any public place.

        • PJOchsner@hotmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 12:28 PM

        In reply to: marowil

        Because people might get ROBBED, SHOT or KILLED in public places is why they carry a gun in public places. Think before you talk.

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:08 PM

        In reply to: PJOchsner@hotmail.com

        Well if no one was carrying a gun to begin with, no one would get shot!

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:06 PM

        In reply to: marowil

        you really "see NO reason" why someone that is a caring, responsible concealed carry holder MIGHT need a gun out in public?
        that just seems impossible to me...........what about the autozone employee who went out to his car to get his gun and then shot the man who was robbing autozone? that's a reason

      • cmapastorbob
      • 9/19/2013 11:24 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Too bad, really like the coffee, but it's only coffee. Guess I'll be gong to Dunkin.

      • gediofey@yahoo.com
      • 9/19/2013 3:16 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Not to worry. I just won't go to starbucks or buy starbucks products.

      • Growleyjr
      • 9/19/2013 3:43 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Although we must all respect the request of Mr. Schultz. In my opinion, his logic is flawed.

      Saying, "For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores .. unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel," and following it up with, "The presence of a weapon in our stores is unsettling and upsetting for many of our customers," proves that is the PERSON who is carrying the gun is the problem, NOT the "presence" of the gun itsel

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:11 PM

        In reply to: Growleyjr

        It is the person, yes. If a police officer comes into a starbucks store, he's not going to take out his gun and leave it outside. Random people with guns, yeah, that is a little bit unsettling, but usually in our minds police officers won't try to kill us.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:08 PM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        typically people who are offended are "concealed carry" holders......and they tend NOT to be the ones shooting everybody up

        thugs and crazy people don't really care either way...or they wouldn't be thugs and crazy people...SO, seems dumb to me to ask responsible people to NOT be prepared to defend anyone

      • nbs@iserv.net
      • 9/19/2013 8:05 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      if he truly want to be neutral in this debate, then request that Gun appreciation day and anti gun rallies not be held at their locations.
      "The presence of a weapon in our stores is unsettling and upsetting for many of our customers." - if someone claims that women, blacks or Catholics make them upsetting - will you request none of these groups visit your locations? - there is no reason to be upset by someone obeying the law. untill this policy is dropped i will not buy any starbucks prroducts

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:12 PM

        In reply to: nbs@iserv.net

        Ok, it's racist/sexist to claim that those groups can't come into a store. Someone who is carrying a weapon that kills people is a different story.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:12 PM

        In reply to: aircanada787@gmail.com

        what about someone who is clearly on crystal meth? i think that's kinda a problem...could we ask them to leave too? that would be great....and while we are at it...let's ask anyone who stinks, uses foul language, pays with pennies, hmmmm....who else...we could narrow it down so only obama supporters and members of the green party could go to starbucks

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:10 PM

        In reply to: nbs@iserv.net

        EXCELLENT point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (i'm not being sarcastic, i'm not going there anymore either : )
        it's a shame...all the good people who might be able to stop a mass shooter are leaving bucks : (

      • lkoenigs@gmail.com
      • 9/20/2013 7:57 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Yay! Thank you for saying the obvious- we don't need to have guns in public spaces! Starbucks is a place to gather in fellowship, for discussion of ideas, to relax. NO GUNS. We will return to drinking our coffee at Starbucks in support of this stance. Stay strong.

        • PJOchsner@hotmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 12:32 PM

        In reply to: lkoenigs@gmail.com

        Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) -- A quick-thinking patrol officer is credited with foiling a holdup at a Starbucks in Henderson on Tuesday.

        Perhaps the criminal in this case didn't get your message or read Howard's letter. You can visit him in jail and explain this to him.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:15 PM

        In reply to: lkoenigs@gmail.com

        you don't need crazy people with guns.....BUT, you would need someone who cares with a gun IF a crazy person with a gun (who, by the way doesn't care if you ask them nicely to not come in) were to come in...just saying.....go on with your discussion of like minded ideas
        crazy people kill people....it's worth noting that all the mass shooters have been on prescription medication...you could discuss that next time but it's not as comfortable as discussing guns

      • nelson.sepulveda3@gmail.co
      • 9/21/2013 7:57 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Starbucks. ...from now on; MY FAVORITE COFFEE SHOP!!!

      • cismar@comcast.net
      • 9/21/2013 1:28 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I wonder LO, would you still be so supportive if the letter replace "open carry" with "Openly ***"

      To discriminate against the lawful activity of any individual citizen based on the intolerance of another group of citizens is not something that any free person should embrace.

      • latteland
      • 9/22/2013 2:24 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I like Howard's previous view to let laws dictate policy. Most of the commenters didn't wholly read or understand the sentiment of Howard's letter, though it was perfectly clear to me. It's too bad people have to mix extremist views with everyone else's daily lives & use a good, socially conscious company for personal vendettas. We own weapons, but I don't feel a need to have one with me at all times. I did make a special trip to Starbucks during the last boycott to show my support of Starbucks.

      • mike@panchyshyn.com
      • 9/23/2013 10:21 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I am truly sorry to see Starbucks take this stance. I Love Starbucks coffee and will miss it terribly. Perhaps I am wrong but as a whole, I don't feel that Starbucks is a place where I would carry my gun. I believe this decision is more political than reactionary. I am afraid my family will need to locate an alternate coffee company.
      Thank you for informing us.

      • makuaoiloa
      • 9/24/2013 3:48 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Howard,

      I am very disappointed in your position on this. Although I am unable to open carry in my state, I truly admired Starbucks backbone in supporting law abiding citizens to excercise their lawful carrying of firearms openly. Law abiding citizens carrying guns is good for society. Gun free zones are unsafe for everyone.

      “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” Robert A. Heinlein

      • a14ben@gmail.com
      • 9/25/2013 7:41 PM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      The Last 4 words, "Shall not be infringed". That means NO ONE shall infringe upon our rights to carry our guns wherever we want. People are afraid that if we do rightfully carry, bad things will happen. Here is a little insight for you, just to tack onto what MKEgal has already said
      DC
      Military bases
      VA Tech
      All schools

      Notice a pattern? Where do you think all the mass murders happen? Oh ya that's right the places listed above that have gun control.

      • azhuravel01@gmail.com
      • 11/24/2013 11:07 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      I think whoever thinks that they will make a difference not going to starbucks is retarded. Mr.Schults just gained about 500 more customers so all of you are retarded so shut up and read the letter

      • SkylerDeLao@live.com
      • 12/15/2013 4:15 AM

      In reply to: LO2LO2

      Hello everyone,
      I want to make it noted that so many starbucks employees own guns and support conserving their rights. Also that, the only need for a gun at a coffee shop, would be protection from a threat. God forbid, now the threat comes due to the attractiveness of this discussion, and now more good people are unarmed.
      Thanks,
      Skyler

    • elizabethdoubleday
    • 9/17/2013 9:43 PM

    I understand Starbucks is attempting to remain neutral, but you're pushing legal boundaries. Its only so long until you inforce your ban on 'open carry' on your property. You've already banned outside smoking and removed butt cans which are mandatory by law. You're pushing loyal customers away!

      • Jennifermangione@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 9:55 PM

      In reply to: elizabethdoubleday

      Your English is quite poor, which I feel strongly dilutes your argument.

      • saliciahall@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:00 PM

      In reply to: elizabethdoubleday

      The behavior of people on the far side of responsibility and respect for others (read that as people that wave guns around, drop them from their purses causing them to discharge, and mullet wearing bubbas with high capacity clips chuffing about their god givin rights the guberment can't take away) has pushed more loyal customers away. We didn't go confront the low IQ gun holders, we just quit spending our money and told Starbucks why. Now they will get us back.

        • ksbbygrl1@yahoo.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:05 PM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        Wow ignorance! This is America. If you don't like high IQ responsible gun owners, go to Europe where they don't like guns.

        • bottleupandexplode@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:14 PM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        The behavior of your insulting and condescending attitude shows no respect for anyone. The way you generalize and profile those who support gun rights is downright bigotry.

        • keepguns
        • 9/17/2013 10:50 PM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        Now Starbucks is choosing to push away the MAJORITY (if you can't read) of their customers with their new "request". We will continue to confront every Democrat because that's what adults do. Adults don't whine, cry, lie and act like babies. We will continue to carry our guns in Starbucks while not purchasing anything since it's a request not a law/rule.

        • keepguns
        • 9/17/2013 10:50 PM

        In reply to: keepguns

        They will never get back the majority.

        • hytechfortune1001@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:22 PM

        In reply to: keepguns

        Do you have time to just hang out in starbucks with your gun? Do you not have a job?

        • mclowery123@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:29 PM

        In reply to: keepguns

        Actually, that's called loitering. By the way, adults DO whine, cry, lie and act like babies, because adults are humans, and humans have bad days. Responsible humans do their best not to judge others prematurely and don't make sweeping generalizations that condemn large groups of people.

        • dean_here
        • 9/18/2013 12:51 AM

        In reply to: keepguns

        Yes that is fine adult argument, very mature.

        • samIam2@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:43 AM

        In reply to: keepguns

        Classy! Not to mention respectful......

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:16 PM

        In reply to: keepguns

        Well, how about you try that north of the boarder. First of all, carrying your firearm into Canada will get you arrested in the first place, but aside from that, if you pulled that scary act, I would happily call 911 and YOU would be in jail friend.

        • latteland
        • 9/22/2013 2:38 PM

        In reply to: keepguns

        Pro & anti gun sentiments do NOT run along strict party lines, but extremism seems to.

        • Dragonkind
        • 9/17/2013 11:20 PM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        You and those you consider to be outside of the " low IQ gun holders" category are welcome to enjoy Starbucks at your leisure. We did not tell you to leave, you left of your own volition. Actually, the only reason so many open cary proponents began being prevalent at Starbucks was to show support of a corporation's decicion to let the local laws dictate their policy, not the squeaky wheels. (continued)

        • CB_Demented@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:27 AM

        In reply to: Dragonkind

        We huh? When did you get a seat on the board?

        • Dragonkind
        • 9/17/2013 11:20 PM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        I hope you are comfortable in the fact that this "request" only means that you will no longer know which of your fellow patrons are carrying concealed firearms, and whether or not they are legally doing so will be an even greater mystery. Wallow in the pit your hubris has created.

        • jprice@zzzeke.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:29 PM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        I have a concealed carry permit, and I never carelessly handle firearms of any kind. My name is not Bubba, and I've never worn a mullet. By the time I entered law school it was pretty much a given that my IQ was not deficient. I carry concealed and I'm well trained in gun safety and proficiency. I've never had a negligent discharge. So what, exactly, are you trying to say, saliciahall@gmail.com? Are you intentionally trying to sound ignorant and hoplophobic? I'm done with Starbuck's.

        • sprtsnwyn@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 12:43 AM

        In reply to: jprice@zzzeke.com

        Going to go out on a limb here for you...you missed the part where the owner said Open Carry, not Concealed Carry, correct? There is a difference, even if you want to feel like a big man for once in your life.

        • TajaRoux
        • 9/18/2013 2:42 PM

        In reply to: jprice@zzzeke.com

        I think you, Mr. Law School, need to re-read her argument - her complaint is with those who pull the kind of crap she outlined...those on the far side of respect and responsibility for others...not for those of us who do not act this way.

        I own guns. I hunt. I don't feel, nor have I ever felt, the need to take said gun in to a restaurant, coffee shop, or any other place of business and lay it across a table "because I legally can." Its people who do this who give the rest of us a bad rep!

        • ibrrussell@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 12:37 AM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        Gee, I've sufficient ego that I was hoping I could find myself somewhere in your angry, bigoted rant. Unfortunately I have an earned graduate degree in biochemistry from one of America's most prestigious universities, am too bald to have anything but a laughable mullet, and responsibly carry my concealed firearm in such a way that it will not fall out of my "purse" and discharge. Are you really sure Starbucks wants YOU back??

        • wanderer711@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 1:54 AM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        In calling Gun Owners low IQ, you have shown yourself to be ignorance incarnate.

        • sojin_muneshi@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:53 AM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        Keep up the good work SaliciaHall, don't be disappointed if silly low IQ hot heads get all torn up over their gun rights, when they are simply being asked to not bring them in the shop, and to stop holding gun rallies in the shop, not to hard a request to consider is it- they even said it nicely - well done Starbucks!

        Responsible gun owners drink coffee too!, and can cope without their toys and dolly's some times.

        • danielfitts@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 1:59 PM

        In reply to: sojin_muneshi@hotmail.com

        This is true, responsible gun owners do drink coffee, and now as long as a Dutch Brothers is near we can continue.

        • hillsboro43@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 8:59 AM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        When was there a negligent discharge of a firearm at a Starbucks due to a dropped weapon? I'm sure that would have made the news for many reasons, including that it is virtually impossible for that to occur with a firearm made after 1900.

        • gravityrocks@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:37 AM

        In reply to: hillsboro43@yahoo.com

        Virtually isn't reality. Oh and to add ,all this IQ talk diminishes the argument on both sides. The whole gun thing has nothing to do with IQ. It has to do with common sense and that is often lacking no matter what the IQ.

        • anonymouse14@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 8:53 AM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        I am curious where you get the 'facts' for your tirade. You seem to have missed a few very important details.

        1. The people feeling turned away by this do not go waving guns around carelessly, nor do they handle them carelessly.
        2. Handguns (the only gun that can be hidden in a purse), cannot go off by being dropped on the counter or floor. There are laws and tests in place already. No handgun can fire without the trigger being actively squeezed, drops just won't do it.

        • anonymouse14@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 8:56 AM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        3. There are more of us than you think. Most do not carry openly, but have rather gone through the training, background and criminal checks to become licensed concealed carriers. We are, typically, intelligent, fairly well groomed, better trained in gun laws than the police, and in the highest percentile of law abiding citizens.
        4. You appear to automatically assume a gun holder is low IQ. That is an attack on a person that you only judge by a single detail of their appearance.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:17 PM

        In reply to: saliciahall@gmail.com

        so the issue is really not the guns?
        sounds more like it's stupid people...well, that's tougher to fight against

      • MKEgal
      • 9/17/2013 10:17 PM

      In reply to: elizabethdoubleday

      Maybe it's mandatory in your state, but not everywhere.
      In my state, by prohibiting lawfully-armed citizens SBX has now LOST IMMUNITY from liability for anything bad that happens.
      Find a small locally-owned company to support, one that welcomes your money.

      • modres@hotmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 9:55 AM

      In reply to: elizabethdoubleday

      Starbucks is not remaining neutral. They took a position and by nature of that decision, they have become anti-gun. Libs won and they know it.

      Schultz can deny it all he wants to, but the truth is that by "requesting" no one carry guns in their stores (which is essentially a "ban"), they have sided with anti-gunners.

      Had the military in the Naval Yard been armed, Alexis would have been taken out before he could have killed so many people.

      Thanks to Clinton, bases are gun-free zones.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:20 PM

        In reply to: modres@hotmail.com

        as someone else pointed out...they "should just ban them at starbucks" ..."like at schools"...i asked how that's working out????

        ahhhhhh....i am saddened by how many responsible, well spoken concealed carry holders will no longer be there AND by how many people seem to think that is a good thing.....BUT, glad that MORE people are leaving...yay for sanity

    • walts@redskinshog.com
    • 9/17/2013 9:45 PM

    I will NOT be spending another dime in your company ever again!!!

      • grantfcs@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 9:56 PM

      In reply to: walts@redskinshog.com

      And I'll gladly spend twice as much, because not having to deal with people like you is well worth it.

      • JFTrochez
      • 9/17/2013 10:10 PM

      In reply to: walts@redskinshog.com

      Me and the rest of civilized society thank you!

        • bspsns@hotmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:17 PM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        Just remember for every person who open carries. There are a lot more of us to choose to carry concealed.

        • Chevfan3
        • 9/17/2013 10:33 PM

        In reply to: bspsns@hotmail.com

        I think that was the point of his letter. He references "open carry" several times but doesn't say don't conceal carry. I plan to respect his request and keep my firearms concealed while continuing to patronize Starbucks.

        • torytaylorashley@yahoo.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:31 PM

        In reply to: Chevfan3

        Thank you.... First comment that actually sounds intelligent. I agree with what you just said... Totally.

        • hvnlysinger
        • 9/17/2013 11:50 PM

        In reply to: Chevfan3

        Thank you! First gun owner on here who gets it! Thanks for not taking it personally!

        • kmom246
        • 9/18/2013 12:37 AM

        In reply to: Chevfan3

        "For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel." They don't want any firearms, concealed or not.

        • danielfitts@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:06 PM

        In reply to: kmom246

        If you are carrying concealed "properly" nobody should know you are carrying at all, that is the point of concealed carry.

        • sprtsnwyn@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 12:49 AM
        • sojin_muneshi@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 3:56 AM

        In reply to: Chevfan3

        Thank you.... First comment that actually sounds intelligent. I agree with what you just said... Totally.

        +1 Ditto! Chevfan3 -good to read some responsible intelligent gun ownership comments!

        • hillsboro43@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 8:55 AM

        In reply to: Chevfan3

        The request, which appears twice is: That’s why I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas.

        The discussion mentions 'open carry' but the request is not directed to open carry only. Therefore it means any firearm carried in any manor. If they meant only 'open carry' it would be worded so. ...Or the CEO has morons writing his copy for him. ...Or maybe both.

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:58 AM

        In reply to: Chevfan3

        I would suggest you check with law enforcement first, because you might actually be breaking the law. Schultz' request INCLUDED open carry but he also asked that people keep guns out of Starbucks. If you carry concealed, you are carrying a gun into Starbucks.

        • anonymouse14@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 9:03 AM

        In reply to: Chevfan3

        The problem is that a number of his statements are vague enough to leave it wide open to the accusation of trespassing if you carried concealed. I would love to hear from the Schultz if his company's problem is with the presence of guns or only with openly carried ones. Anyway, no matter how it has been couched as a 'request', not a 'ban', it will be effectively and legally binding as a ban in a number of states, and don't doubt that Schultz knew that before the statement was made.

        • latteland
        • 9/22/2013 2:43 PM
        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:23 PM

        In reply to: bspsns@hotmail.com

        i remember that and i appreciate it everyday ....thank you for caring and i hope you are respected MORE than not.......guess what, i eat organic AND have a concealed carry permit...HAH : )
        but, i will give up one of my many loves...starbucks, it's tainted now with silliness

        • wanderer711@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:00 AM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        Sorry, but that statement is out of line. Gun Owners are civilized as well. You need to stop your arrogant belief that you are better than others. Because in statements like you made, you have shown yourself to be so much less.

        • emailnogood@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:37 AM

        In reply to: wanderer711@yahoo.com

        Yes many gun owners are safe responsible people who train and who know how to safely shoot. At the same time many gun owners don't train and don't act in safe and responsible ways. These people are the ones that licensing and training should weed out IF IT WAS MANDATORY. But it is NOT. so too many people rush at getting a gun. And then do stupid things that ruin it for others. Kind of like requiring a drivers license.

      • aircanada787@gmail.com
      • 9/20/2013 3:17 PM
    • twnmtnmom@yahoo.com
    • 9/17/2013 9:46 PM

    I respect the request when it comes to open carry. Too many people are ignorant to what they don't understand. However, if I ever received a request, as a licensed CHL holder, to refrain from carrying, Starbucks will lose every dollar of my business to daily addiction. If people weren't ignorant and would educate themselves, there wouldn't be panic everywhere. Sigh

      • jessiebrekke@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 9:54 PM

      In reply to: twnmtnmom@yahoo.com

      Agreed. I carry at all times because I have a restraining order against my violent ex who has threatened to kill me and my kids. Starbucks has just lost every dime from my daily addiction.

        • Ssourapple09@Aol.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:05 PM

        In reply to: jessiebrekke@gmail.com

        Get a concealed weapons permit. Starbucks is asking (not telling) you not to OPEN CARRY in their stores because seeing a gun will frighten some people. A permit isn't terribly expensive.

        • MKEgal
        • 9/17/2013 10:19 PM

        In reply to: Ssourapple09@Aol.com

        No, he's issued a blanket ban. No carry at all.
        (Unless you're a police officer... apparently they're more trustworthy than a citizen. Wrong attitude.)

        • johafford@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:22 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        "I would like to clarify two points. First, this is a request and not an outright ban."

        Don't let facts get in the way of your ideology or anything.

        • kmom246
        • 9/18/2013 12:44 AM

        In reply to: johafford@gmail.com

        (I know wikipedia isn't a scholarly resource, but... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy) Chick-fil-A expressed an opinion on the life-style of a group of people. I read someone else say something like, while gays were not actually banned, one could see why they would not want to patronize Chick-fil-A. Indeed. So, although my lifestyle may not be banned, by making such a request, I am also not motivated to patronize SB.

        • mclowery123@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:34 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        I think the idea is not that police officers are necessarily more trustworthy than civilians, but that they are (often) required to carry for their job.

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:59 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Yes, that's the way I read it.

        Um...about police officers, they're not necessarily more trustworthy. They just wear a badge...

        • jimalo
        • 9/17/2013 10:19 PM

        In reply to: Ssourapple09@Aol.com

        I read Mr. Schultz note to include all firearms - "That’s why I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas.". No mention of concealed carry being okay.

        • Ssourapple09@aol.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:33 PM

        In reply to: jimalo

        There's almost no mention of concealed weapons at all. If concealed properly, no one will know, and no one will be intimidated by the sight of a gun. I took this to mean open carry, specifically. Besides, a request is only ever a request.

        • wpdeadrat1@q.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:27 PM

        In reply to: Ssourapple09@Aol.com

        Ignorant people are frightened by the sight of guns.

        • pastelitos
        • 9/17/2013 11:04 PM

        In reply to: wpdeadrat1@q.com

        I kindly disagree. I, nor my entire family, have ever owned, used, or fired a firearm. Not because we are against it but because we've never felt the need for it. The time I did get to see a gun I was very nervous not knowing if such a weapon was in good hands. Unfortunately it made me weak in the knees and still not sure why I suppose. Some people just have not been around them enough to feel comfortable.

        • uymykj@icloud.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:08 AM

        In reply to: pastelitos

        "I kindly disagree. I, nor my entire family, have ever owned, used, or fired a firearm."
        I'm happy to say, I and my family have always owned and fired guns, don't know where you are from but I believe you still enjoy the freedom I do which is a result of people using guns to guarantee that freedom.
        I am in the majority, good thing you are the minority or we would have lost our freedom long ago.

        • emailnogood@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:42 AM

        In reply to: wpdeadrat1@q.com

        Doubtful but the better statement is : many people are scared at the sight of people carrying guns who have highly likely not had the training that police have. And the police in many places if not all HAVE to maintain some kind of proficiency to keep carrying. The average gun owner does NOT. and police often dont make every bullet hit their target. How the hell is the average joe going to????

        • anonymouse14@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 9:18 AM

        In reply to: emailnogood@yahoo.com

        The average open and concealed carrier is an enthusiast that has trained at least to the proficiency level of the police, many trained to exceed it. (And there are a number that are retired police.)

        People are scared at the sight of a gun largely because of the hype and attacks on guns and gun owners from illegal activities carried out by criminals, nearly always with illegally acquired guns, and only ever stopped by lawful guns or the threat thereof.

        • puppetmaster.san@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 8:55 AM

        In reply to: wpdeadrat1@q.com

        exactly, why should they be frightened

        i mean they're only designed to kill things

        in fact their only purpose is to kill things

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:19 PM

        In reply to: wpdeadrat1@q.com

        I think most people should be frightened by guns if they live in peace

        • kmom246
        • 9/18/2013 12:39 AM

        In reply to: Ssourapple09@Aol.com

        "For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel." This sounds like they don't want any firearms, not just for open carry.

        • wanderer711@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:02 AM

        In reply to: Ssourapple09@Aol.com

        Reread the letter. This time read between the lines. It is a threat that if you carry, and no, they did not specify ONLY Open Carry, then they will take it further. They want our money, as long as they can violate our rights to get it.

        • anonymouse14@gmail.com
        • 9/19/2013 9:10 AM

        In reply to: Ssourapple09@Aol.com

        The wording was left, in many places, vague enough to leave it open for the full legal interpretation of not bringing guns, openly carried or not. In a number of states, that makes it a de facto ban, absolutely removing a person's right to carry there, even licensed concealed. He and his lawyers knew that before this statement was given, or they are clueless morons, which I do not believe they are. I would not want to carry, even concealed, at a Starbucks now without prior legal counsel.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:24 PM

        In reply to: Ssourapple09@Aol.com

        it's the principle of the matter dear watson

        • higgledy@gmail.com
        • 9/24/2013 6:49 PM

        In reply to: Ssourapple09@Aol.com

        Can't I leave in LibtardLand aka Maryland.

      • ksbbygrl1@yahoo.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:07 PM
      • brox69@comcast.net
      • 9/17/2013 10:25 PM

      In reply to: twnmtnmom@yahoo.com

      Exactly my thoughts. I've never understood the desire to openly carry a firearm in public. I carry for self defense, not to impress anyone.

    • lafrgs
    • 9/17/2013 9:46 PM

    Dumbest thing I've ever seen a company spokesperson say, other than Chick-fil-a.

    • mthammer11
    • 9/17/2013 9:47 PM

    As a carry permit holder and someone who isn't crazy about "open carry", I find this very reasonable and I appreciate you taking the time to explain your position in a thoughtful and professional way.

      • saliciahall@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:01 PM

      In reply to: mthammer11

      Thank you for such a reasonable response. Many of us wish there were so so many more like you mthammer11!

      • MKEgal
      • 9/17/2013 10:22 PM

      In reply to: mthammer11

      "I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas."

      It doesn't say open carry, it doesn't say concealed carry, it says "firearms".
      So you're banned too, even though you're willing to hide your rights.
      Many people who carry proudly also have cc permits / licenses, but prefer the comfort, ease of access, etc. of open carry.

        • brox69@comcast.net
        • 9/17/2013 10:28 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        The letter was clearly talking about all the recent activity with open carry in their stores.
        I've spent a lifetime around firearms and know very few people, outside law enforcement, that ever felt the need to carry open in public. On horseback while working, sure, but not while in town taking care of business.

        • mclowery123@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:38 PM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        Nobody is banned. NOBODY. He only stated that he doesn't want open carry in SB. He specifically said that you can open carry if you want to (and it's legal in your state, of course), but that he would really appreciate it if you respect his wishes as the spokesperson of the company.

      • wanderer711@yahoo.com
      • 9/18/2013 2:06 AM

      In reply to: mthammer11

      I agree with the Open Carry thought. But he is saying no guns, period. Not just open carry.

        • uymykj@icloud.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:58 AM

        In reply to: wanderer711@yahoo.com

        Agreed, the following was copied from the letter, open carry is only mentioned in reference to 'state law' This part says it all : > today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas<
        "For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel."

      • wanderingdaisy
      • 9/20/2013 9:26 PM

      In reply to: mthammer11

      i was also impressed with the wording...however, now i'm not going because there won't be 1 single person left there that could protect anyone from a crazy over-medicated person

    • Timlankins@hotmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 9:50 PM

    You have just lost My business. And that of every other supporter of the 2nd Amendment. When the anti gun people did their boycott we (the 2nd Amendment supporters) patronized your business and gave you record sales. Thanks, see Ya at Peets Coffee.

    • bluefawn
    • 9/17/2013 9:50 PM

    No guns, no $$$. I have the right to carry my weapon per my government, NOT Starbucks. I don't patronize businesses that infringe on my rights. http://prntscr.com/1ryu5n

      • JFTrochez
      • 9/17/2013 10:16 PM

      In reply to: bluefawn

      I also have a right to not be bothered by people thinking their "rights" are more important than me enjoying a cup of coffee safely. Me and everyone else not psycho thank you for no longer coming to Starbucks.

        • brox69@comcast.net
        • 9/17/2013 10:32 PM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        LOL, if somebody having a piece of hardware strapped to their body keeps you from enjoying your coffee, you need to reassess your thinking. There are quite a few of us that are "not psycho" that are not bothered by this. Don't understand it but certainly not frightened by it.
        BTW, if you ever see a fetchingly handsome guy getting off of a red sportbike and ordering an iced caramel macchiato, assume he's armed....

        • ginhuffman
        • 9/17/2013 10:46 PM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        JFTrochez - unfortunately, some folks seem to think that "their rights" are the only "rights" & to heck with everyone else. :/ Not all of us gun-toters are psycho lol Oddly enough - I wonder how many of the "I'm no longer drinking Starbucks" folks will forget what they posted in about a week? I like my guns, I like my coffee - SB to be exact. I think a lot of these folks need to re-read the 2nd Amendment. The Pro/Anti Gun stuff is all about opinion & interpretation.

        • ugummys-541@yopmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:53 PM
        • mclowery123@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:45 PM

        In reply to: ugummys-541@yopmail.com

        Why is your perception of rights more correct than JFTrochez's? Or for that matter, Howard Schultz's? Why not respect his decision about how he wants his company to be run? You can still carry concealed if you feel you must have your gun, or you could even open carry. Schultz didn't ban anyone, he just respectfully requested that you keep your firearms either concealed or out of his establishment.

        • wanderer711@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 2:07 AM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        And we have the right not to have you impose your beliefs and fears on us. See how that works?

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:02 AM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        You honestly believe that this policy is going to keep criminals and mentally deficient people out of Starbucks?

        Really?

        • aircanada787@gmail.com
        • 9/20/2013 3:24 PM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        I agree. People who think that their guns are more important than our safety are people I don't want at Starbucks.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:30 PM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        you're just being stubborn now .....people who have concealed carry permits are NOT bothering you...you don't even see their guns..come on now!!!!!!!!!!!!
        and for the record....you sound the MOST like a psycho and i've been reading everyones comments the whole night....you sound kind of wound up

        • higgledy@gmail.com
        • 9/24/2013 6:52 PM

        In reply to: JFTrochez

        Cow5hit is more important than you, JFTrochez.

    • bluefawn
    • 9/17/2013 9:51 PM

    No guns, no $$$. I have the right to carry my weapon per my government, NOT Starbucks. I don't patronize businesses that infringe on my rights.

      • mclowery123@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 11:48 PM

      In reply to: bluefawn

      Thank you so much for standing by your views while remaining respectful. After reading some of these comments I was beginning to lose hope for gun owners (and some liberals as well).

    • banana_man3350@yahoo.com
    • 9/17/2013 9:51 PM

    I will try and do this but if you put a ban on or stop ccw holders from carrying then I am done with starbucks everywhere...

      • MKEgal
      • 9/17/2013 10:24 PM

      In reply to: banana_man3350@yahoo.com

      Did you read what he said?

      "I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas."

      He doesn't want your business. Doesn't matter if you hide your rights, he doesn't want you there.

    • jbarnic
    • 9/17/2013 9:52 PM

    I choose to follow the constitution of the United States which governs my rights as a US Citizen. I appreciate your "respectfully requesting" patrons not bring guns into your stores . . . what happens when those who aren't respectful of others lives and have harmful intent come in with their guns and we're all sipping coffee unarmed and unprotected trying to appease your request. It ***** that we have to have any conversation at all about guns in Starbucks. . . Please reconsider. It's my right.

      • sprtsnwyn@hotmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:19 PM

      In reply to: jbarnic

      Break up a lot of robbery attempts, do you cowboy? Funny, mass shootings happen all over the country, even in places where guns are encouraged, and I don't see any of you fake John Wayne's stopping them. Probably pissing your pants on the floor like everyone else.

      • MKEgal
      • 9/17/2013 10:25 PM

      In reply to: jbarnic

      Unfortunately, since SBX isn't a gov't agency, it doesn't have to honor all civil rights.
      :(
      They don't really care about safety, or he wouldn't have done this.
      "Gun free" zones attract crime.

        • hillsboro43@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 9:06 AM

        In reply to: MKEgal

        But the New Mexico Judiciary just ruled that your right to conduct private commerce trumps exercising your Bill of Rights. Are you sure they have the right to ask? Seems the photographer didn't have the right to refuse taking photos at a marriage they did not condone....

      • johafford@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 11:25 PM

      In reply to: jbarnic

      A property owner has an absolute right to dictate what does or doesn't happen on their property. Your 2nd Amendment rights do not allow you to carry onto a place where the property owner has forbidden it any more than your 1st Amendment rights would allow you to ignore "no soliciting" signs on private property.

    • amberburns
    • 9/17/2013 9:52 PM

    I respectfully disagree Mr. Schultz. Please rethink your official position. Those of us who carry are looking at your stance and evaluating your reasons for this request. Please do not cave to political pressure. Remember that those of us who are loyal to your company will doubt your support of those of us fighting to defend our rights. If you give in now, will you always give in? How will your employees fair if attacked with police minutes away? We law abiding citizens don't need another GFZ.

    • rebekah1214@rocketmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 9:53 PM

    "I would like to clarify two points...FIRST, even though it seems like we're trying to make a controversial political statement in hopes that it will boost our sales as it did for Chic-Fil-A, this is not the case. That being said, our new motto will be "Eat more coffee beans, not chicken." SECONDLY, we are confident our employees we be completely safe if a crazed gunman enters our store because we have instructed all employees to throw hot coffee in the face of anyone who seems suspicious at all.

    • pirategirl27
    • 9/17/2013 9:57 PM

    Mr. Schultz, you have shown respect to both pro and anti gun customers. I would think most people would understand and respect your request. All you are asking is for some consideration for all. Not living in an open carry state I was amazed at all the pictures springing up with people showing off their guns in your stores. It looked like a circus. Hopefully people will remember that Starbucks is a coffee place for all.

      • jedimarkus@yahoo.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:20 PM

      In reply to: pirategirl27

      I respect Howard making this a request vs a policy. Being a non-confrontational person, I would respect a business person's request that I find reasonable. If society should collapse and I need a spot of tea, I may have to bring my AR with me and I am sure all the patrons would understand.

      • MKEgal
      • 9/17/2013 10:27 PM

      In reply to: pirategirl27

      No, it has now become a coffee place only for people willing to give up their rights, and give money to a company which does not support the Constitution.

    • madison909@live.com
    • 9/17/2013 9:58 PM

    So how much did the anti gunners pay for that? How disgusting and disgraceful from someone that claims the argument belongs in the courts, your words are hypocritical. If its legal it should be allowed, period! If you don't allow legal activity in your stores from law abiding citizens exercising a RIGHT then you don't deserve a penny of our money. Perhaps your mind will change god forbid a shooter comes into ine of your stores and kills everyone-gun free zone! No more lattes for me.

      • andrew.emmons@outlook.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:11 PM

      In reply to: madison909@live.com

      "If it's legal it should be allowed, period!"

      That's just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's not illegal for a man to be shirtless or walk around barefoot, but no store allows those things. "No shirt, No shoes, No service" sound familiar?

      • aircanada787@gmail.com
      • 9/20/2013 3:30 PM

      In reply to: madison909@live.com

      You can't understand, you're blinded by your views. What he's saying is people feel less comfortable in an environment like starbucks when there are people carrying guns around because, well, guns kill people, so are you saying it's bad for someone to not want to die?
      I didn't think so

    • eleventhwhisper
    • 9/17/2013 9:59 PM

    This is the same situation as with the laws that people are trying to create in our country today. Keeping the law abiding, mentally stable citizens from carrying guns does not keep the unstable, dangerous, threats to our lives from doing so. Starbucks cannot infringe on our second amendment rights any more than the government should be able to therefore a statement like this is not only pointless but does shows your voice in the matter rather than your neutrality.

    • seroberts51
    • 9/17/2013 10:00 PM

    Excellent letter and you will certainly continue to have my support and my $$$.

    • jimalo
    • 9/17/2013 10:01 PM

    While I appreciate your opinion as CEO I find I cannot respect your position. I am tired of surrendering my rights to those of the vocal few. I enjoy my time spent in Starbucks locations and have a great rapport with the barristas, none of whom have ever expressed any concern with my various carry options which leads me to believe your unconstitutional concerns are customer driven. I suggest you request those customers to respect the US Constitution and local laws or let them drink elsewhere.

      • sprtsnwyn@hotmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:20 PM

      In reply to: jimalo

      "vocal few". I take it you've never actually been on another website besides Redstate.com. The vast majority of the country wants tighter gun regulations. Do some research, and hope a family member doesn't kill you or themselves with one of your guns. That is also more prevalent in houses with guns, FYI. I'm surprised you're even alive right now

        • brox69@comcast.net
        • 9/17/2013 10:39 PM

        In reply to: sprtsnwyn@hotmail.com

        Your response shows that you're ignorant of the nature of the research you're referencing. The polls and questions used to derive that data were purposefully constructed to provide just that answer.
        If you ask me if I support background checks to purchase a firearm, I'll say yes every time. However, I also know that background checks are already conducted. Ask if I'm in favor of additional legislation impacting lawful citizens and I'll say no. The 20,000 laws we have are enough.

        • modres@hotmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:11 AM

        In reply to: sprtsnwyn@hotmail.com

        Actually, that's not true. The left constantly floats that argument, but it simply isn't true.

        There is more likelihood that you will be killed in a mass shooting taking place at a gun-free zone than a family member killing jimalo.

        You think now that this policy has been made, you are "safe" while you drink your coffee at Starbucks.

        How does this policy keep criminals and mentally deficient individuals with guns out of Starbucks? It doesn't.

        It only applies to law-abiding citizens.

      • JFTrochez
      • 9/17/2013 10:28 PM

      In reply to: jimalo

      If you respect the constitution you will NOT open carry inside a private business. It is your right to carry anywhere public but you should respect businesses that are allowed to make their own stipulations about who they will or will not serve. Ever hear of "No shirt, no shoes, no service"? This is an evolution of that.

    • lafrgs
    • 9/17/2013 10:03 PM

    Moron activists with no job and nothing better to do than to stir up nonsense...

    • Haley.nic
    • 9/17/2013 10:05 PM

    He simply asked people not to. He clearly states it's not a ban, more of an at your own discretion. If you are a responsible gun carrier, it's not a big deal. I can see why people are upset, but be the responsible carrier and it's not an issue. You are right in the sense that he can't ban you to carry, but as a person trying to protect the well-being of a large company and the people that work for him, he can ask people to be respectful and responsible. No harm, no foul.

      • MKEgal
      • 9/17/2013 10:32 PM

      In reply to: Haley.nic

      "I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas."
      That's a ban.

      I am thoroughly responsible.
      I always use a holster, & my gun will never leave it in public unless I'm being attacked.
      I am a firearm safety instructor.
      I am an adult, not given to emotional displays.
      I have licenses to carry concealed from 3 states.
      This has nothing to do with well-being.

      • modres@hotmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:14 AM

      In reply to: Haley.nic

      Actually, an official request has been made by the CEO of a company that people NOT carry guns inside Starbucks.

      Since the request has been made, carrying a gun inside (even concealed) could get the person arrested.

      As far as the law goes, this "request" is essentially a ban.

    • privateer_42@hotmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:06 PM

    So let me get this straight Starbucks. For YEARS, law-abiding Open Carry activists have been patronizing your shop without incident. They have been spending their money, enriching your bottom line, and praising your corporate policies and products. And they have NEVER been an issue.

    But when some anti-gun zealots threaten and harass your patrons and staff, the way you deal with it is to instruct your employees to DISALLOW open carry in your shops?

    OK. We see what you did there...

    • hot.red.gal@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:06 PM

    By prohibiting lawfully-armed citizens in your stores you have now GIVEN UP your immunity from liability in Wisconsin.

    That's right - by NOT turning away good law-abiding customers your stores have immunity from liability.

    http://docs.legis.wi.gov/statutes/statutes/175/60/21/b
    "A person that does not prohibit an individual from carrying a concealed weapon on property that the person owns or occupies is immune from any liability arising from its decision."

    • hot.red.gal@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:11 PM

    You're too smart to honestly think that after telling people you don't trust them & won't allow their peaceful exercise of Constitutionally-protected rights, those people would stupidly continue to support your company.

    I will honor your request because I don't want to support an anti-rights company.
    Unless this policy is corrected, I won't spend money there again.
    I have a nice, friendly neighborhood coffee shop which welcomes my money.

    You have just lost a significant chunk of business.

    • jamthejock18@aol.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:13 PM

    Many of you need to revisit what you are saying and realize how foolish you sound. First of all,in the type of market Starbucks operates in,do you really think your $200 a year is going to make or break them?We are talking about a company that brings in millions upon millions each and every year.Another point that needs to be considered is that regarding the 2nd amendment.You must understand that these laws were put into place hundreds of years ago when enemy soldiers were stationed in our homes.

      • cebackus
      • 9/17/2013 10:25 PM

      In reply to: jamthejock18@aol.com

      We bring many $200 annually sums, not just ours individually. Just as Colorado lawmakers learned, when we act together, we are strong. Acting in light of our conscience is the right action.

      The Second Amendment was put in place in dire circumstances, just as the other rights in the Bill of Rights. Our forefathers understood that those rights had to be preserved even in extreme circumstances, but also in normal, everyday life. The Second Amendment is the bulwark that protects the others.

      • admin@iconstitution.us
      • 9/17/2013 10:32 PM

      In reply to: jamthejock18@aol.com

      Please read the Federalist Papers for historic intent behind the 2nd Ammendment and Heller v DC for some modern clarification on what the 2nd Ammendment means before arm chair spouting. You might actually learn something.

      • brox69@comcast.net
      • 9/17/2013 10:44 PM

      In reply to: jamthejock18@aol.com

      Your analysis of Starbucks business model is spot on. Your thoughts on the 2nd are way off base. It's not a "law", it's a Constitutional amendment. Additionally, it wasn't written just to address enemy soldiers. It was written to ensure citizens could protect themselves from any number of threats, up to and including their own government. The Supreme Court has also upheld that it is an individual right as well.

        • jamthejock18@aol.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:52 PM

        In reply to: brox69@comcast.net

        while, i do realize it was not a "law" it falls along similar grounds. Back in the 1760's there was a far greater amount of threat that a gun could potentially alleviate than there is for a person at a local starbucks.

      • wanderingdaisy
      • 9/20/2013 9:39 PM

      In reply to: jamthejock18@aol.com

      have you seen HOW many people are not going there anymore? it's WAY WAY more than $200 a year

      and....ummmmm...i know i sure would appreciate it if someone shot someone that was trying to shoot me

    • taulce1
    • 9/17/2013 10:16 PM

    I'm deeply saddened by the inability of CEO Howard Schultz to stand by his own beliefs, his own principles. Either be Pro Gun, or Anti. Don't sit on the fence to please us all so as to make a buck.

    I've always praised Starbucks and their seemingly "Pro Gun" stance. It was very disheartening to read this letter Mr. Schultz. Where do you really stand? Perhaps all you really do care about is the money.

    As difficult as it will be, I cannot support a company that doesn't support our Rights.

    • jjtmp@sbcglobal.net
    • 9/17/2013 10:16 PM

    I am outraged that you even address us as fellow Americans given your sudden cowardly cave into anti gun grabbing lobbyists! We answer to the constitution and our rights. Not the constitution of Starbucks. I will ensure all my friends and fellow police officers & other departments take our business elsewhere!

    • prywes@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:17 PM

    Looks like most of the gun nuts here didn't even read the letter. He didn't say he was banning guns. All he asked was to respect the other customers. Honestly, how many people have ever had their lives threatened at a Starbucks? If you are that paranoid about protecting your life, perhaps you should stay inside with your hoard of guns... or see a psychiatrist. You're not going to come to Starbucks anymore? Guess what, THAT'S THE FREAKIN' POINT. The rest of us will gladly make up the difference.

      • chrismah1470@yahoo.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:26 PM

      In reply to: prywes@gmail.com

      Thank you! So many hateful comments on here. Such a shame.

        • cebackus
        • 9/17/2013 10:46 PM

        In reply to: chrismah1470@yahoo.com

        Not hateful, just protective of my rights. Many good Americans fought and died for those rights. I will not surrender them blindly to earn your approval.

        • akedom@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 4:16 PM

        In reply to: cebackus

        Agree 100%, I spent 33 years in military service any in those years did many researches on our government and other governments over the world. Saw how easy it was for people to lose all of their rights, because of leaders using actions from crinimals and some even staged by them to get people to believe that they had to give up their rights in order to be save.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:42 PM

        In reply to: cebackus

        : ) i've noticed a much stronger trend of hate coming from the anti-gun side..just saying...you will be missed at starbucks by the ones who thank you for being there and caring enough to be able to protect us if need be....THANK YOU

      • chrismah1470@yahoo.com
      • 9/17/2013 10:35 PM

      In reply to: prywes@gmail.com

      Even though i am pro-gun, i do respect your statement and will continue to buy from your stores. To everyone who says they wont go to starbucks anymore: cant you guys try to be reasonble and understand the other poknt of view? Stop looking only at one side. Makes me sad to see so many people are so obsessed with guns. I do believe we should be allowed to have then. Just not bring them EVERYWHERE!

        • cebackus
        • 9/17/2013 10:48 PM

        In reply to: chrismah1470@yahoo.com

        I'm not obsessed with guns any more than I'm obsessed with hammers, screwdrivers, or automobiles. They're all tools.

        I am obsessed with my rights. I will not surrender them lightly.

        Do you see the difference?

        • jgaddy1965@hotmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 11:10 PM

        In reply to: chrismah1470@yahoo.com

        who get to determine where we can and can't carry them? Politicians?

        • drvovru
        • 9/17/2013 11:23 PM

        In reply to: chrismah1470@yahoo.com

        chrismah1470@yahoo.com; so your saying if you don't bring your wallet with you everywhere you won't need? We carry because it is a LEGAL right and I will not tolerate it being infringed upon. I never plan to use my firearm, I also plan to NEVER say I wish I had my firearm, thus you carry it just like a wallet or cellphone. Would you ever expect a LEO to pick and choose when they carry their service weapon?

        • ExCustomer
        • 9/17/2013 11:41 PM

        In reply to: chrismah1470@yahoo.com

        I'm not obsessed with guns, I don't, and haven't ever brought mine into Starbucks, but this is just dumb. It would be one thing if there were crimes, crazies, etc. waving their firearms around, but nothing has taken place at all. I don't support business' that do stupid things. This didn't need to happen or even brought up. Just a company giving in to the vocal minority, who are anti-everything they don't understand. Goodbye to $400/month I spend at Starbucks. local coffee from now on.

        • wanderingdaisy
        • 9/20/2013 9:43 PM

        In reply to: ExCustomer

        do you bring your gun into the movies now? not much different

      • cebackus
      • 9/17/2013 10:35 PM

      In reply to: prywes@gmail.com

      The point is that you never know when your life will be threatened. The diners at Luby's cafeteria (one of the safest and most boring places you'll ever eat) didn't expect to be threatened there, either.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

      Do you only wear your seatbelt when you suspect you might get in an accident?

      • brox69@comcast.net
      • 9/17/2013 10:45 PM
    • xzxz15@hotmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:17 PM

    It's not that we feel the need to carry in the store. It between there and the car..

    However I will respect your wish and take my money else where. I want my money off my gold card and expect it to be cashed out..

    • ctalberg
    • 9/17/2013 10:19 PM

    If you feel that strongly about your 2nd Amendment rights(I support you), and are offended about Starbucks decision to ask you not to bring a gun into the store then please for my sake and the others who agree don't come to Starbucks. I'm sure I will be just as safe without you there as I was with you. Only now I will breath a little easier knowing I'm not ordering coffee alongside someone who is carrying a concealed weapon. Remember guns don't kill people-people kill people.

      • cebackus
      • 9/17/2013 10:37 PM

      In reply to: ctalberg

      Did you read? He didn't request concealed carry permit holders to stop concealed carry, he only addresses open carry. So you will still be ordering near the same people you always were, you just won't know they're carrying.

      Honestly, how many of you have seen someone other than a police officer openly carrying in Starbucks? This is purely political and despicable due to that alone.

      • brox69@comcast.net
      • 9/17/2013 10:46 PM

      In reply to: ctalberg

      Pssst, I'll still be there with my CCW... :-)

    • JannaBo
    • 9/17/2013 10:19 PM

    I am in total shock. I grew up with guns. My Dad taught NRA classes. We all know how to shoot. I own a handgun. I would NEVER want to sit and relax at a coffee shop with someone next to me carrying a weapon. I would not want that for my children, my grandchildren. What is this world coming to? Most of you sound like total nutcases. It's as if you have been playing so many video games that you have altered reality.

      • cebackus
      • 9/17/2013 10:38 PM

      In reply to: JannaBo

      What is it coming to? When did you think this right to openly carry popped up? 1776 or so... not a new thing, just the banning of it is new.

      • nicad65
      • 9/18/2013 3:05 AM

      In reply to: JannaBo

      "I would never want to sit and relax at a coffee shop with someone next to me carrying a weapon."

      That rather makes you sound like an utter snob. Why not? Are you worried about being hurt? Someone of sufficient will and motivation could be just as deadly with a sturdy pen...

      Besides, it's not really the gun you see that you should worry about.

    • cebackus
    • 9/17/2013 10:19 PM

    I'm very sorry you've chosen to make this statement and request.

    Please consider whether it would be appropriate for you to request we voluntarily forego our other U.S. Bill of Rights rights because of fear we might offend other customers. Will you request we voluntarily give up our Freedom of Speech, perhaps not read banned books because they might make offend other customers? Maybe you'll prohibit Muslims, because they make others nervous?

    No, you won't do that...continued

      • cebackus
      • 9/17/2013 10:21 PM

      In reply to: cebackus

      because those are currently popular rights, but they haven't always been.

      You've guaranteed you're in opposition to the general feeling of your communities. In communites where the majority feel this way, they will have passed laws. You're asking us not to carry even when there are no laws. You're asking us not to carry in the most pure manner possible, openly, without hiding or trying to sneak.

      In response, I'm going to exercise my First and Second Amendment rights, to express myself...

      • cebackus
      • 9/17/2013 10:22 PM

      In reply to: cebackus

      and to bear arms. I will not buy anything from Starbucks unless I am openly carrying a firearm. I will encourage others who feel the way I do to do the same where it is legally allowed.

      If you rescind your request, I will stop doing so, because I don't usually carry, but it's my right as an American in a community where it's not prohibited to do so.

      Good day, sir.

    • xzxz15@hotmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:20 PM

    jamthejock18

    The first amendment was written before Internet.. So do you believe that the first covers your speech online..

    Something to think about if you believe the 2nd amendment does not apply today...

    • eliott.kroll
    • 9/17/2013 10:21 PM

    I feel it's unfortunate that you've interpreted our support for open carry as supporting a political position. On the contrary, the position by so many firearms rights advocates was supported specifically due to the Brady Campaign's boycott on your stores. We asked only to patronize your stores unmolested. If you now ask that we not spend our money with you, we will respect that decision.

    In the coming months, we hope that you revise your decision. Until such time, I will not spend a penny.

    • peaceeg6@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:22 PM

    I don't agree with you in the slightest bit. I feel this request is a cowardly act to rile up anti gun activist... Who will cause trouble if a customer is open carrying in your stores. They will be lined up waiting for someone to respect your request but respect their rights more. You just added with this attempt. Well I would carry just to piss them off and to remind you that your Starbucks and my rights supersedes your requests

    • joe253
    • 9/17/2013 10:24 PM

    I made an account just to tell you you're going to lose my business. And by writing this letter you've put your company right in the middle of the debate. Not remained neutral. I totally understand asking patrons not to pull out or show off guns in your stores. And especially asking them not to hold rallies. But by asking people not to carry when its a right given by the constitution you've taken a side on the issue and you will use business

      • joe253
      • 9/17/2013 10:25 PM
      • tquinn43@hotmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 4:32 AM

      In reply to: joe253

      I am amazed by all the people jumping off the cliff about the Starbucks letter. you might want to stop using hospitals, post offices, libraries, any health care facilities because where I live guns are banned in these places and the last time I knew one could ban guns from private property. I have a permit to carry.

    • admin@iconstitution.us
    • 9/17/2013 10:25 PM

    I am sincerely sad to hear your descision. Pro 2A customers did not choose your stores as a stage to push an agenda. Anti Constitution groups did. Pro 2A customers simply rallied behind you to show their appreciation that you remained nuetral. Which group actually threatened your business and disrupted your customers with false 911 calls. The one you just chose to side with. Now you will see that same appreciation go elsewhere.

    • Dragonkind
    • 9/17/2013 10:25 PM

    I will respect your wishes. As you have deemed it unsavory for open carry proponents to practice their legal rights within your store, I and my like-minded acquaintances shall no longer trouble your company with our patronage. My firearm goes where my money goes. Since my firearm is no longer allowed in your stores, neither will my money. You have chosen your side, and it has proven to be that of the violence-prone instead of the law-abiding. May your choice weigh lightly on your shoulders.

    • jabrams4405@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:32 PM

    I will begin getting my coffee at Dunkin Doughnuts. I will cease to conduct any business with Starbucks. Stupid move, I bet your stock holders will appreciate this negative publicity and how they have bowed to the liberal left. I will be sure to mention this sad fact to everyone I know and everyone I encounter for say, the next 20 years?

      • prometheus1977
      • 9/17/2013 10:42 PM

      In reply to: jabrams4405@gmail.com

      Dunkin Donuts coffee is disgusting. I'll just have to brew more of my own at home.

      Starbucks lost me over not allowing me to defend myself. Dunkin lost me over subpar coffee.

      Either way, I'm out.

        • jabrams4405@gmail.com
        • 9/17/2013 10:50 PM

        In reply to: prometheus1977

        prometheus1977, I actually agree that some locations are pretty bad. Get a K-Cup brewer they are very good, but stay away from the Starbucks brand K-Cups.

    • shane98@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:34 PM

    If you look at the location of EVERY mass shooting. Where was it? At a "Gun Controlled" Location. Not a wise decision. You have made a mistake, and I do believe it will cost you a lot of loyal customers. No matter what the liberals say, there are way more Conservatives then liberals. And thankfully the sleeping giant is being awakened. Our current dictator in Chief Obama Bin Laden can be thanked for that one. I used to spend $5,000-$6,000 per year at your stores. No longer.

    • ginhuffman
    • 9/17/2013 10:35 PM

    Some folks amaze me. He just asked that we honor his request. He didn't ban guns from SB or anywhere else. It's his right to set his own rules within his company-after all we're in America & we can do that. We have a right to carry/bear arms & we do. What REALLY is the point of bringing them into a coffee shop? I myself have guns - but they're not something I'd feel the need to carry into any store. He didn't say he was for or against guns. He's not riding the fence, he's being a considerate boss

      • patrickhelvey@yahoo.com
      • 9/18/2013 12:42 AM

      In reply to: ginhuffman

      I carry mine in every shop, store, ect. i go every day. 1st if someone that wanted to rob or hurt me or my family. 2nd someone just started shooting for no reason. (it has happened) (the theatre) 3rd and best.... its my right as a American and a law abiding citizen!!

    • kathryngordonsmith@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:38 PM

    Thank you very much! I will be making multiple purchases tomorrow and in the days ahead.

    • wjpeters64@yahoo.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:39 PM

    Howard, your letter is respectful and considerate of all your customers. Thank you for your request. Thanks also for giving us a model for finding solutions. We learn to be better by the example of reasonable and respectful people.

    • Desert_AIP@att.net
    • 9/17/2013 10:40 PM

    You previously remained neutral, you respected local laws and allowed them to be the determining factor, that was the correct business decision.
    You have now chosen sides.
    You chose poorly.

    There are many, many coffee options in the PNW.

    Enjoy your loss of revenue.

    • admin@iconstitution.us
    • 9/17/2013 10:40 PM

    For those Patriots who feel you have just been thrown under the buss by a company you have gone out of your way to support for simply being nutreal and law abiding, don't waste your breath here. Starbucks has just stated they do not want our support and prefer to bend to the same people who has sought to damage their business. Obviously our support overwhelmed them. Let our lack of support ring even more true. Don't go to Starbucks ! That simple.

      • admin@iconstitution.us
      • 9/17/2013 11:00 PM

      In reply to: admin@iconstitution.us

      By the way for those who are happy about this descision, remember one thing while you sip your coffee. Starbucks just effectively joined the Gun Free Zone status. This is where mentally deranged progressives who are actually a threat do go so they may kill as many people as they can before being stopped. Just a historical fact observation. Enjoy your coffee :)

    • prometheus1977
    • 9/17/2013 10:41 PM

    How do I get the money back from my gifts cards. You don't want me defending myself? Then you don't want my money.

    I earned 16 stars in 17 days this month. Enjoy losing my business.

    • mikaelfivel
    • 9/17/2013 10:42 PM

    Mr. Howard, let me address something you stated:
    "Pro-gun activists have used our stores for...“Starbucks Appreciation Days” that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of “open carry.”"
    -- We did not portray Starbucks as a champion of open carry, we championed Starbucks for its ambivalence, and for honoring state laws. Those events were in response to anti-gun boycotts against your store. We were protecting and supporting you with our monetary support. We can take our money elsewhere.

      • Dragonkind
      • 9/17/2013 10:52 PM

      In reply to: mikaelfivel

      Well said. We did not threaten Starbucks with boycott if they simply followed the local laws. That was the other side.

      • kmom246
      • 9/17/2013 11:13 PM

      In reply to: mikaelfivel

      Indeed. I was impressed that SB had not caved to the anti-gun faction, and simply stated that they would go with whatever the law was. Imagine that, just go with what the law says. That's what I do every day - what the law says. I like patronizing businesses that encourages people to go with what the law says. However, now SB is asking carry permitted citizens to voluntarily forgo their 2nd amendment rights - for a cup of coffee. Sorry, no.

    • Jaredmurphy80@yahoo.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:42 PM

    I respect the rights of gun owners and their "open carry" laws so as a partner all i ask in return is that you respect my right to work in a comfortable environment free of firearms in any form. Stop being so thoughtless and think of others, its just a request not a ban or infringement.

      • Libertymonger@live.com
      • 9/18/2013 9:41 PM

      In reply to: Jaredmurphy80@yahoo.com

      Yes it is very clear, what is not clear to you idiots is criminals and prescription drug, delusional psycho's do not comply. This is just an open invitation to them. Good luck being safe!

    • wesleytadlock79@yahoo.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:44 PM

    I'm very pro-2A. Gun-grabbers hate me. But Starbucks is a private entity, and it's facilities private property. If someone brings something that offends me onto my property, I have the right to make them leave. Starbucks has that same right. That's the nature of a free society. I'm also free to take my money, and my gun, elsewhere. I will do so. Starbucks, like any other private entity, has property rights that are just as legit as my right to carry. I drank my last Starbucks cafe mocha today.

    • cebackus
    • 9/17/2013 10:49 PM

    I will be interested to watch Starbucks business volume and stock prices over the next weeks and months.

    • megapeyt
    • 9/17/2013 10:49 PM

    Mr. Schultz

    I have always held your stores in the highest regard and frequented them in winter because they are quite simply the best, you will never receive a penny from me or my friends. We are all second amendment supporters and will not spend at your stores because of this.

    To everyone referring to the 2nd amendment as radicals, tea baggers, and extremists, we're not the ones trying to take away something that doesn't belong to us. Simple as that.

      • drvovru
      • 9/17/2013 11:08 PM

      In reply to: megapeyt

      Well said, megapyt. Look up my account Mr. Schultz and say goodbye to my hard earned American money. You state, "The presence of a weapon in our stores is unsettling and upsetting for many of our customers." Then they need to pull their pacifier out of their mouth and go hide in their homes. I carry, I have training to do so. Trust me, you would want me standing near you if the wrong person came your way. Instead your stores are now a target for criminals, like schools and other banned areas.

    • drs1992@email.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:49 PM

    Since this came out I went to 5 different Starbucks stores. I was able to talk to 13 employees and 19 customers. Only one employee and 3 customers agreed with what you said.

    • jacklong
    • 9/17/2013 10:54 PM

    I could understand this request had there been a shooting at Starbucks. Heaven forbide. The fabricated stories of dropped guns going off is a little much. Just like any section of society there are people who shouldnt have weapons, just like some people should not be driving cars, but they do. I have a CHL and the level of violence by bad people is on the rise. Now they know Starbucks is a safe place to attack. Be worried people. And watch your backs.

      • ExCustomer
      • 9/17/2013 11:37 PM

      In reply to: jacklong

      You are correct. The amount of fear and ignorance when it comes to lawful carry are another sign of America's idiocy. The proof is there have been no law abiding citizens, with firearms, shooting up any Starbucks, anywhere, but lets ask people not to bring them in because a vocal minority, who knows nothing about the law or what responsible gun owners practice, asks for them to be banned because they are scary. Redonk!

    • ugummys-541@yopmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:57 PM

    I like McDonalds coffee much better that the crap at CHARbucks. They cost less and also have WiFi. Who needs Charbucks anyways?

    • Tamigarrow@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:58 PM

    Thank you, Mr. Schultz. You have always done the right thing. I believe in respectful, reasoned debate. I do not wish to sit next to anyone openly displaying a weapon. When that is necessary in order to enjoy a cup of coffee, it's time for me to move to another country...

      • drvovru
      • 9/17/2013 11:01 PM

      In reply to: Tamigarrow@gmail.com

      Great Tami, when did you want to move? I'll drive you to the border.

      • ExCustomer
      • 9/17/2013 11:33 PM

      In reply to: Tamigarrow@gmail.com

      These comments are hilarious. You know the guy sitting next to you carrying openly is a law abiding citizen, right? The criminals hide their weapons and pull them on you when you least expect it. You might want to start thinking about these things are develop some critical thinking skills so you can tell the difference between a criminal and a law abiding citizen because they might just help you keep breathing one day.

        • patrickhelvey@yahoo.com
        • 9/18/2013 12:27 AM

        In reply to: ExCustomer

        i like these two comments. lol do you get all scared sitting next to a cop? Tamigarrow? how stupid can you be? in order to get the license the person next to you had they had to first... go to a 8 hour class(in OK) then submit finger prints by the sheriffs office and submit paper work to request a license from the OSBI. so how many shootings have you heard of from a license holder? i still have yet to hear of one! so when u do please please post a link! thank you and do some research!

      • Libertymonger@live.com
      • 9/18/2013 9:44 PM

      In reply to: Tamigarrow@gmail.com

      But you feel comfortable now knowing that a psycho, delusional suicide pill popper will comply? Even when numbers prove they love to shoot mass in gun free zones? Yeah good luck with that!

      • wanderingdaisy
      • 9/20/2013 9:51 PM

      In reply to: Tamigarrow@gmail.com

      what about when it comes time at a movie theatre? how do people forget so quickly....MOVIE theatre-starbucks..not much difference

      it's NOT the gun advocates that are shooting people up...it's over-medicated people..just saying

    • jgaddy1965@hotmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 10:59 PM

    I am sorry to hear that you are taking this stand. I will find somewhere else to spend my money.

    • kmom246
    • 9/17/2013 11:02 PM

    If the request had been that if one was a black man, please refrain from wearing black hoodies because some of our less enlightened guests would feel uncomfortable and unsafe, can you imagine the uproar? And rightfully so. But feel free to disenfranchise another class of law abiding citizen. And no, I'm not a tall, husky, white "gun crazy" guy - I'm a short, over 50 Asian chick who believes it prudent to have some type of defense for before the cops arrive. Won't be using my gold card any more.

      • holmes.lauren89@gmail.com
      • 9/17/2013 11:24 PM

      In reply to: kmom246

      OMG Thank you! I agree. I grew up in seattle washington. I've seen a beloved coffee shop on queen ann hill get shot in and people died and cops were their in time and people in this state are so anti gun I hate it. And then I believe in marrysville a couple years ago a couple of cops were doing their paperwork in a tullys I think and were pointblank shot and killed. Now theirs a memorial at that shop. This ban request to keep guns out scares me for this very reason. Police can't protect everyone!

        • ExCustomer
        • 9/17/2013 11:31 PM

        In reply to: holmes.lauren89@gmail.com

        You are obviously unable to discern a criminal committing a violent gun crime and a law abiding citizen, obeying the laws, and carrying their firearm peacefully. You then make them into one in the same. Ignorance is bliss, and in this case, it is quite epic.

        Your fear is misplaced to say the least. Knowledge is power so I suggest you learn the difference between criminals and law abiding citizens.

        • Medicvince
        • 9/18/2013 12:29 AM

        In reply to: ExCustomer

        You are miss reading Lauren. She supports carry in stores to prevent these crimes happening at Starbucks.

      • patrickhelvey@yahoo.com
      • 9/18/2013 12:19 AM

      In reply to: kmom246

      very true! well said. usually the cops will be there to put you in a bag. they will not and can not be there everytime. but u have the right and the power to protect yourself and family! the ones that these ignorant people need to worry about is the ones that do not have a license or not supposed to have a firearm in the first place!!! they have nothing to lose. we have everything to lose!

    • IanTheWright
    • 9/17/2013 11:02 PM



    Starbucks appreciation day was a response to people boycotting your stores for not bending to their will and banning firearms.

    Respectfully suggesting people leave a civil right at the door?

    My friends, family and myself will respectfully take our business elsewhere.

    • robertokirk@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:14 PM

    Well articulated. I appreciate the CEO's request. I don't believe he is an unreasonable individual. It is not safe to remove a concealed weapon, in my case 3-4 times a week. The process of removing the firearm exposes it to bystanders. A briefly unconcealed weapon left left in an unoccupied car frequently is not wise.

    • holmes.lauren89@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:18 PM

    I live in seattle washington, were known for being loud bout our opinions and our love for coffee, if anyone knows that in our last couple years their has been shootings at coffee stores (not starbucks) and even cops have been killed at some. That being said the idea of you not wanting your guns in your stores I think will increase this history and send it into your stores! We have the right to carry our guns for a reason!!!!!!

    • Lootie
    • 9/17/2013 11:26 PM

    Well Howie, Your Partners will be real busy now processing EBT transactions from MDA, OWS and FSA patrons

    • ExCustomer
    • 9/17/2013 11:27 PM

    I am a gun owner, not a gun nut. I never have and never would bring a gun into Starbucks. I spend over $400 a month at Starbucks, but due to your stance and lumping all gun owners into the "gun activist" group, I am now going to buy my coffee at the local coffee shops. You're not taking a stand. You're being cowardly and caving into the vocal minority.

    Please tell us how people carrying, lawfully, deserve being treated like they've done something unlawful or have behaved in a criminal way...

    • dakota.potts@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:29 PM

    I would like to respond with an open letter:

    http://myopenletter.in/1412/from/AGunOwner/to/Starbucks

      • moretoastplease@yahoo.com
      • 9/18/2013 9:39 AM

      In reply to: dakota.potts@gmail.com

      @dakota.potts Thank you for an excellent letter. I'm from the country, where the men (and women) don't have to post videos of themselves with assault weapons to prove that they're men. http://budurl.com/bv7g Like one of your posters said, he can understand carrying if you're on your horse, but in town, walking around between the coffee store and the shoe store?

    • NRA@hotmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:30 PM

    Just one more reason to spend my money elsewhere. Guns are not the problem, it is the society we live in. I carry to protect myself and my family and will not do business anywhere that wants to take that right away. I understand you are just asking, but the majority of gun owners are legally responsible people, and will abide by your request. That also means we can chose not to support you when asked.

    • gf1030@yahoo.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:33 PM

    Dear Howard Schultz,

    I've never carried a gun in any of your stores, but because you've decided to cave in to a special interest group and change your company policy, I will take my business elsewhere.

    Sincerely,
    Former Customer

    • boonieflower@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:36 PM

    I do not believe Starbucks should ask me to check my Constitutional rights at the door. If Starbucks cannot support my constitutional rights then I cannot support Starbucks. I will no longer purchase any Starbucks branded items, any items produces or any item sold by a subsidiary of Starbucks. I will be throwing away any remaining Starbucks products in my cupboards and encouraging retailers I shop at to not carry Starbucks products.

    • steadham.michael@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:36 PM

    By taking my ability to defend myself away from me in this dangerous society, I will no longer be able to conduct business with your company. By turning your stores into a "gun free zone" you have essentially led the lambs to slaughter.

    In today's litigious society, if someone falls prey to this misguided decision I foresee the lawyers lining up with baited breath.

    • 2ndwatsup5150@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:36 PM

    well looks like no more Starbucks for me or my family! we cut out buffalo wild wings for there radical views on the 2nd amendment!!!!!

    • bronson@superiorsoundent.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:38 PM

    SO -- You no longer want the disposable income that gun owners ONCE spent on your over priced coffee in your stores..Because BABY..We will not be spending a DIME in your stores ever again. And since we gun owners carry guns that cost $ 500.00-1500.00 on our hips ..our disposable income is significant and YOU WILL NOT BE GETTING ANY OF IT, ANY MORE.....

    • cgrodeoqueen95@msn.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:39 PM

    i shall respect your wishes that only police officers carry a weapon in your store... i shall now take my business elsewear...my rights to protect my family means i shall just find a new coffee shop.

    • 2ndwatsup5150@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:46 PM

    I just realized I've been paying $4 for a cup of coffee solar because I thought they stood up for my constitutional rights what a jack wagon I am!

    • ELCIDGRAD
    • 9/17/2013 11:49 PM

    I love how you didn't mind us bringing our M9's into the Starbucks at Camp Buehring. (Seriously, thanks for the coffee though.) It's ok over there, but not stateside? Apparently, there are too many nervous Nellies here that are scared of a piece of steel that once protected their right to be ignorant and fearful.

    • jamessevadjian@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:51 PM

    Thanks for siding with anti-American extremists starbucks.

    • Bozowolf
    • 9/17/2013 11:53 PM

    Mr. Shultz,
    Per your request I will no longer carry a firearm in any Starbucks in an "Open Carry" manor. However due to my state and many other states allowing me to carry my chosen firearm in a concealed manor I will continue to carry it in such a manor while conducting business in Starbucks. I all also continue to carry my firearm in any manor allowed while using your drive-thru.
    Sincerely,
    Bozowolf

    • matt.kaufmann@gmail.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:57 PM

    As a Weapons License holder I have:
    • Have passed a Federal background check.
    • Have submitted my fingerprints to the county police.
    • Have no violent misdemeanor convictions.
    • Have no felony convictions.
    • Do not abuse drugs or alcohol.
    • Am not under adjudication of mental incompetence.

    What do you know about your other patrons?

    • patrickhelvey@yahoo.com
    • 9/17/2013 11:59 PM

    i am a American citizen that is a "open carry" LICENSE holder. i do not and will not ever understand why someone that sees me open carrying would be scared of me? if i was or intended anyone any harm I would not carry it on my hip in a holster that it is snapped into. i would not be wearing a hat instead a ski mask. the gun would only come out when it was too late for you or any of the people that is legally allowed to own and carry the said "weapon". to save your life! so next time thank them!!!

    • patrickhelvey@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 12:05 AM

    O and Mr. Howard Schultz i have not AND WILL NOT EVER buy anything from a starbucks and will not take any one to one of the stores ever!!!! i carry my weapon to protect my family and if someone was to open fire in a crowd i hopefully would be able to stop the "fish in a barrel" shooting. so u can keep your little coffee shop and i will keep enjoying the freedoms that our great nation was founded on!!! the United States of America... freedom is not free and still protected buy GUNS!!!

    • ericksonstudio
    • 9/18/2013 12:11 AM

    we will no longer support starbucks. nor will we continue to give starbucks gift cards. you have the right to your opinion, we have the right to patronize a different establishment — one that will allow their customers the safety and security of concealed carry. thank you.

    • Janessadad@aol.com
    • 9/18/2013 12:17 AM

    To: Howard Schultz, Thank you for asking people not to carry firearms in your stores. I must admit that especially given the events of yesterday that I do not feel comfortable having coffee with people with loaded guns in my face. It would not be wise for a customer to ask another customer to take the gun away. I will not confront a person with a gun I will simply leave. Thank you for making Starbuck a place where I can again feel comfortable.

      • r.shifflett1987@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 12:33 AM

      In reply to: Janessadad@aol.com

      You'll feel comfy until someone with ill intention comes in and uses a weapon to rob or kill someone then all the people such as yourself will be begging for police help. Where as a law abiding citizen such as myself or any of the other millions of citizens could possibly be on site at the time and save countless lives because we were there first. But that is your opinion I just hope that you rest easy knowing that police are minutes away. Gun free zones do not stop crime. Food for thought

    • Medicvince
    • 9/18/2013 12:19 AM

    Mr. Schultz et al,
    As a customer and investor of Starbucks your decision bewilders me. When company policy allowed for open carry in stores, I took great comfort that I was in a safe environment, protected by my firearm and the firearm of my fellow customers. You have essentially created a don't ask don't tell policy for licensed concealed carry. I for one will feel less safe than I did in the past. I will enjoy my investments but will frequent local shops who allow otherwise.

    • djustice@justicecpa.com
    • 9/18/2013 12:19 AM

    Fellow 2-A supporters.We know the rights and responsibilities that go with legal carry and demand others respect those rights.

    Starbucks has the right to write this letter. How can we not respect the rights of Starbucks to disagree with us and write this letter

    • imaginfrnd@hotmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 12:20 AM

    Dear Mr. Shultz,

    Thank you for your letter. I will be in tomorrow to continue to support Starbucks. I'm disheartened that your other customers don't understand that of the recent shootings in your stores, both were at the hands of gun owners' accidental discharge. We know how easy it is to get a gun in this country & I don't know them or their training/mental state. They're strangers to me. I hope they can see both sides of the coin & at the very least, properly store & conceal their weapon.

    • phillipgain@centurylink.net
    • 9/18/2013 12:22 AM

    I find it laughable when your page asks me to "please show respect when posting comments" when your policy shows a clear disrespect for law-abiding gun owners, and for the 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    However - I will respect your wishes that I not carry firearms in your store ever again. In fact...I will find another source for my coffee altogether. I will encourage everyone I know to not patronize your brand as well.

    • r.shifflett1987@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 12:26 AM

    What a poor decision to be made by the CEO.I will be willing to bet that revenues fall rather generously due to his decision asking people to not carry in their stores.I bet starbucks will reconsider their standpoint when someone gets robbed/shot in one of their stores because Starbucks is taking the anti gun approach. i thoroughly enjoy SB coffee but will no longer offer a penny of my money to this company because they are now part of the problem

    • Kbuffington
    • 9/18/2013 12:28 AM

    He's not out right banning your precious guns. He's requesting that you do not carry them into the establishments. Many business owners make that request, most of them smaller than this giant. If you're in such a tizzy, yes, take your business elsewhere. It's still a request. You are allowed to deny a request, though I think if they SEE it they may ask you to leave, or at least put it away to avoid accidental discharges or any conflict with other customers. Everyone just please calm down.

    • Kbuffington
    • 9/18/2013 12:30 AM

    You will continue to get my business, good sir. Thank you for being respectful and explaining your request. I am a supporter of gun rights (though I wish screening to own one or get a license was a bit more thorough) , but I completely understand your reasons for this. Safety is always the first thing we think about when we make choices regarding our guns. Or it should be.

    • celticwarrior916
    • 9/18/2013 12:31 AM

    It's sad to say I will never spend another cent with your company. You should be focused on providing outstanding customer service and making great beverage and food stuffs. Once you alienate law abiding customers you have become political. I supported you on ever single "boycott" day to show my support for your business. Since you don't support law abiding citizen I can't support you. Sorry I no longer feel safe in your stores. No guns = No money. Get out of politics and get back to your roots.

    • knightoflions
    • 9/18/2013 12:41 AM

    Mr. Schultz,

    Thank you for making this request. It is appreciated by many of your customers and employees. I have had a gold card since 2008 and frequent your stores daily. Your polite request to maintain a civil and safe environment is appreciated by this customer.

    • lammsemail
    • 9/18/2013 12:43 AM

    There was no comment either way, in the above, about OWNING a gun. I will continue to come to Starbucks and I appreciate the effort to keep the store a relaxing place. MANY businesses have requirements for appropriate shoes & clothes in order to get service. It is stressful for me to see a gun in view across the room. I shouldn't have to wonder what is the intent or training of it's owner. I don't want to have to know. I come to Starbucks to RELAX!!

      • nicad65
      • 9/18/2013 2:41 AM

      In reply to: lammsemail

      It is stressful to me for people to indicate that they don't support the exercise of my rights... since when do stress levels dictate others' rights?

    • LTSSTL
    • 9/18/2013 12:48 AM

    This may come as a surprise, but the reason why I participated in the "Starbucks appreciation day" back in August wasn't just about the Second Amendment, rather, it was just as importantly about supporting the fact that Starbucks goes by local laws and therefore exempts itself from politicking. Additionally, it would have been quite nice of the CEO to appropriately mention that the "Starbucks appreciation day" of which I speak was in direct response to a "Boycott Starbucks day".

      • LTSSTL
      • 9/18/2013 12:54 AM

      In reply to: LTSSTL

      I've supported Starbucks since the very first time we came across your store in Seattle, Washington back in the early 1990s. We almost made the decision to try and go into business with your company, in order to expand what we witnessed back then as a truly expansive, community oriented entity.

    • Mikestrong@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 12:55 AM

    I don't open carry...only concealed. Regardless, my $$ will go elsewhere. I purchased numerous gift cards over the course of time for family and friends. No longer.

    • p229357@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 1:47 AM

    I honestly understand how open carry can put folks on edge. I'm not a fan of it, and I've carried concealed for over 20 years. I'll continue to carry concealed in Starbucks, as i have for many years. Out of sight, out of mind, and the way it should be in my opinion.

    • nicad65
    • 9/18/2013 2:37 AM

    A longtime, and high-value customer of your product, to say that I'm disappointed would be an understatement.
    I've long admired a refusal to insert yourself into political issues, but believe that it is disingenuous to assert that this "request" is a continuation of that history...
    I will still continue to patronize your store, as I can't find a similar quality coffee, but I will be vocally against this policy, and regrettably, anti-Mr. Schultz as well.
    You've made an insider-critic.

    • Beezel
    • 9/18/2013 2:54 AM

    I have three Starbucks within 3 miles of my house. I patronize all 3 regularly plus some other ones in the city if I need a drink and am close to them at the time. I spend at least $45 a month or more there. I have always concealed carried in them. I am not a big fan of open carry myself. My Starbucks shirt makes them laugh with the I Love Guns and Coffee, and with the Starbucks woman holding 2 guns. But if they enforce a no guns allowed period, then I will go to the many other options in town.

    • dpetty121263@att.net
    • 9/18/2013 3:26 AM

    Well I fully intend to carry into your stores regardless of you caving to sub human Progressives, it is my right and I will exercise it.

    • dpetty121263@att.net
    • 9/18/2013 3:31 AM

    I was thinking maybe we should make Starbucks a dollar free zone, how does that sound?

    • fred@bedrock.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:35 AM

    Most civilized democracies have strict gun control laws, and they don't have anywhere near as many gun homicides as the US of A.
    Even young children can understand that if you reduce the number of guns in a community, you'll also reduce the amount of gun violence.
    The love of some Americans' for guns is extremely bizarre.

      • dpetty121263@att.net
      • 9/18/2013 3:41 AM

      In reply to: fred@bedrock.com

      Sure and these same places have no Bill Of Rights either....

      • marcel_hager@yahoo.com
      • 9/18/2013 9:32 AM

      In reply to: fred@bedrock.com

      Except that reducing the number of guns owned by law abiding citizens never reduces gun crimes at all, statistics will show that in just about every study you can find.

      The thing that people just don't get is that no matter what laws you pass, criminals will ALWAYS find a way to arm themselves...because they are criminals and they don't follow the law....that's what makes them criminals.... and if it's not guns it will be knives or bats or anything else.

      • Beezel
      • 9/19/2013 1:19 AM

      In reply to: fred@bedrock.com

      fred you are full of BS. You obviously don't do your research like most gun haters. Those countries that you refer to have more gun crime than in the US. Look at the crime rates in those places from more than one source. Plus look at states in the US that have strict gun control, and you will see gun related crime is higher than those states that have less strict laws.

    • davidjberthelot@bellsouth.net
    • 9/18/2013 3:49 AM

    Thank you for a middle ground policy . For those liberals ranting about gun control , I find concealed carry much more practical , efficient & less egotistical . Mine will be out of sight & out of mine but right next to you under my shirt & I will continue to patronize Star Bucks .
    Thanks again for a great win win policy

    • duckthefemocrats@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:50 AM

    when will liberals realize that a pyschopaths loves unarmed crowds , you never hear of a mass shooting at a gun range or a gun show or a police station . gun free zones are an open invitation for criminals , wake up !

    • joannscheitle@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:52 AM

    So I guess when Starbucks is the next place getting targeted with shootings then they'll wish someone had a gun? I guess my family will no longer be doing business with you. Your $5.89 coffee ***** anyways. I go everyday for 8 yrs. now and you would think the idiots working for you could get to know a customer and make their $6.00 coffee right? Then they look at you all funny and pissed off that you brought it back and said something especially if they're busy and you want it remade. That spea

    • topher1_2000@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:58 AM

    "The presence of a weapon in our stores is unsettling and upsetting for many of our customers."

    Probably not in the large southern city I live in.

    • Concerned2000
    • 9/18/2013 4:04 AM

    This is your right as a business.

    It's my right to not spend money on your products anymore. If you don't want to honor my right then you don't want / need / deserve my business.

    • boatman92
    • 9/18/2013 4:17 AM

    It's ironic that Mr. Schultz is being criticized for politicizing his store policies about guns. When his previous tolerance was abused and his stores were the backdrop for pro-gun carrying rallies, he drew a line. He previously respected the rights citizens to carry weapons in his stores until that respect was abused. Rather than just "keeping calm and carrying on", some gun-toting folks misrepresented his tolerance as advocacy and abused it. His letter is spot on. Well done, Mr. Schultz.

      • joe@mt2014.com
      • 9/18/2013 4:38 AM

      In reply to: boatman92

      Mr. Schiltz's letter was damaging to his franchise as now people will view starbucks in a favorable light or unfavorable depending on their views. If he didn't like gun rallies at his stores, he could have stopped them in another way. Inseminating his political views into his company will be damaging. It's unlikely his brand will suffer much long term, but there are some, I for one, that will finish my starbucks coffee beans and move to another brand. Keep politics out!!! Unite We Stand!

      • merchenaryleader@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 9:51 AM

      In reply to: boatman92

      I directly disagree with you. If that was the case the letter should have read..."Thank you for supporting our wish to remain neutral, we appreciate the intent of citizens supporting Starbucks when others were holding a boycott. However, we do not wish to be a political stage, we want to sell coffee in an environment that everyone can enjoy, so please though you have a right to assemble, Starbucks does not wish for this to happen on their property."

    • matthewmarsh@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 4:32 AM

    You are requesting that I, a law abiding citizen in NY, with an unrestricted concealed carry permit.. not carry in your store to protect myself or others if needed from a phsyco thus making all of us soft targets? No thanks. My pistol goes where my money goes. I refuse to go somehwhere that doesn't allow me to defend myself. You lost me, my family, my friends, and my friends of friends that I can tell this to. You think a criminal is going to listen to you and walk out not killing anyone? Please.

    • joe@mt2014.com
    • 9/18/2013 4:32 AM

    Mr. Schultz, clearly you wish for law abiding citizens to act in a way that you see fit. I do not carry, but support the rights of our society to make their own educated decisions and act within the law. Who are you Mr. Schultz to make a statement that seeks to control thousands of franchises and the people who visit them? Such a shame. I am disappointed in your statement, which thrusts Starbucks squarely in the middle of the debate about gun control. I thought your company was better than that!!

    • ecocks@naacademy.com
    • 9/18/2013 4:34 AM

    I respect your right to run your stores the way you wish. Equally, I will exercise my rights to get my coffee, tea and pastry products in locations which allow a reasonable chance to be safe while shopping. It is my decision that companies which do not respect the laws and rights of the country which allowed them to prosper should not benefit from my dollars, referrals or patronage.

    • swamper0833@aol.com
    • 9/18/2013 5:47 AM

    I have been a customer for years-and a police officer for 26 years. If I can not as a citizen go armed, I will not go armed as an officer. I will get my coffee at another business.

      • sbirch525@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 7:10 AM

      In reply to: swamper0833@aol.com

      I too am a career police officer who will no longer visit Starbucks for any reason, let alone purchasing coffee or snacks. Who do you thing will ignore your request? Criminals! That is the reason they are criminals, they do not obey laws or requests. My gun is part of my life and I will honor your request and keep it and me away from Starbucks.

      • wanderingdaisy
      • 9/20/2013 10:04 PM

      In reply to: swamper0833@aol.com

      thanks for speaking up being an officer.....it carries more weight and i'm glad you're not afraid to speak up....THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO...and i will not be going either because all the conceal carry people are leaving...ahhhhhhhhh shame

    • bayer3000
    • 9/18/2013 7:09 AM

    Thank you, Thank You, Thank you......while I wish there was an outright ban on weapons at Starbucks, this does make me feel a little bit safer. I agree that gun rights are in the Constitution, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be rules around them, just like everything else in the Constitution.

    I can and WILL frequent Starbucks even more now that I can feel just a little bit safer in bringing my family in.

    Thank you Howard Schultz and Starbucks

    • smith811@charter.net
    • 9/18/2013 7:29 AM

    Thank you for your request.I just took my business somewhere else this morning and saved three dollars in the process! When a business starts to isolate customers they leave and they leave with their money.Piece of advice for you dont listen to the libtards they are all being subsidized by the government and cant afford your product anyway they just want to infringe on everyone elses rights.Go Chick-fil-a and Dunkin!!!

    • smith811@charter.net
    • 9/18/2013 7:33 AM

    Thank you for your request.I just took my business somewhere else this morning and saved three dollars in the process! When a business starts to isolate customers they leave and they leave with their money.Piece of advice for you dont listen to the libtards they are all being subsidized by the government and cant afford your product anyway they just want to infringe on everyone elses rights.Go Chick-fil-a and Dunkin!!!

    • CB_Demented@hotmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 7:44 AM

    Some of the replies here are just astoundingly ignorant, and show an absolute lack of reading comprehension.

    • smith811@charter.net
    • 9/18/2013 7:50 AM

    when a business requests no guns it is a policy by law and even applies to conceled carry...wise up!

    • merchenaryleader@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 7:51 AM

    It wasn't long ago there was a group of people that offended those that were around them. The law stated they had the right to be there, however this left the company in a sour spot, they could not afford to lose their customers, so they designated a place for the "offensive" people to reside. Rosa Parks chose to demonstrate against this policy and I happen to agree with her logic. Citizens who abide by the law would never cause harm. But now you have a clear unprotected target for the thugs.

      • merchenaryleader@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:23 AM

      In reply to: merchenaryleader@gmail.com

      What is next on your Neutral territory a request that there be no religious speech, symbols, clothing or jewelry so as not to offend others? Or no public displays of affection or statements of affection because you may offend someone who doesn't wish to acknowledge your right to have a relationship with whom you choose? Or no visible tattoos or piercings because they might be considered offensive. Firearms owners didnt do this. dont blame them.

        • merchenaryleader@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 10:28 AM

        In reply to: merchenaryleader@gmail.com

        All that needed to be addressed, was a confirmation that Starbucks sells coffee not political agenda. So it would have been practical to ask that any Rallies protests or other forms of expression by large parties are detrimental to the business of selling coffee. Thus they should be held elsewhere. I think that the reaction would have been far better in your favor. I love Starbucks coffee, and its pumpkin latte season, but if this stands. I will not remain a customer.

    • CB_Demented@hotmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 7:51 AM

    Some of the replies here are just astoundingly ignorant, and show an absolute lack of reading comprehension.

    To the anti gun people...get a clue. He didn't ban guns from stores. He asked. You didn't win anything but prove you're just as annoying as some OC advocates.

    To the pro gun people...reality check. The customers scared of asshats with ARs and AKs OC, far out number the gun carrying clientele who'll get in a huff about this letter. They'd rather lose our business. It's a lesser evil.

    • smith811@charter.net
    • 9/18/2013 7:56 AM

    Attention all degenerates Starbucks is full of unarmed people with more money than common sense..great marketing plan!

    • Gilbemods
    • 9/18/2013 8:19 AM

    i'm still going to Conceal Carry, a sign at the door don't mean squat.. us gun owners know that and they also know that... too bad i wont be visiting Starbucks anymore

      • Fleonard4
      • 9/18/2013 8:29 AM

      In reply to: Gilbemods

      I have always concealed when I have been there, or anywhere else, but they just lost a life long customer, and until I use up the little bit of money I have left on my card, I am going to open carry just in their store.

    • winfield1812@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 8:28 AM

    I've never been a big fan of Starbucks, but because of this decision I plan on adding your coffee to my regular rotation. Ty, for standing up to gun bullies.

    If you can't enjoy a coffee or a meal without carrying a gun, then maybe you should check yourself into a mental health facility. This level of paranoia and hero delusion is dangerous. You should also note that MOST coffee shops are owned, staffed, and patronized by politically progressive people. Good luck finding one that caters to you.

      • bayer3000
      • 9/18/2013 9:12 AM
      • merchenaryleader@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:03 AM

      In reply to: winfield1812@gmail.com

      It must be a blessing to live in a place you feel secure enough to make that statement. I grew up in a town where I was a lucky survivor of a drive by shooting twice as a child. One time as a child at the gas station and the other cops had chased a gunman down who just happened to go down our street and started firing into the houses to get the cops to back off. I have moved away because my education and financial position allowed me to...but trust me when I say they are not paranoid.

      • Beezel
      • 9/19/2013 1:38 AM

      In reply to: winfield1812@gmail.com

      That's why I live in a pro-gun state. Almost all business here have no problem catering to us that can legally carry. When a strung out thug comes in when you are having your coffee and food, and starts to shoot the place up. You can feel comfortable that there wasn't anyone that could have helped stop them with their firearm. I refuse to be a dead statistic on the news as one of the unlucky ones that had no chance to help protect myself and others.

      • wanderingdaisy
      • 9/20/2013 10:07 PM

      In reply to: winfield1812@gmail.com

      i've read ALL The way down this page..and that is by far the silliest comment!!! YOU ARE THE WINNER
      so contrived and ignorant of the entire issue....but, at least you're "progressive" ...phew thank goodness for that

    • Fleonard4
    • 9/18/2013 8:28 AM

    You just lost a lifetime customer.
    You may as well "request" that no blacks come into the store.

    • pdnoone
    • 9/18/2013 8:51 AM

    How exquisitely mealy-mouthed. You have boldly staked out a non-position. It is NOT complicated. The law is the law. You want an outcome that is more restrictive than the law allows, but you don't have the courage to demand it. I intend to be equally as timorous in my desire to consume Starbucks's products. I want to purchase your products often, but I just don't want to get in the middle. I don't desire to make an affirmative commitment. Moreover, I don't want to offend. Better not to.

    • gegefbacct@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 8:53 AM

    You have lost me as a customer. I may not be a gun owner but I am a constitution supporter.

      • merchenaryleader@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:33 AM

      In reply to: gegefbacct@yahoo.com

      I agree with you gege. It is a constitutional right to carry a gun. I feel better knowing that criminals have to fear retaliation. A police officer won't be present when anything happens so all they can offer is a body bag and a case #. In many cases the presence of police arriving elevate the situation causing more deaths in many cases the cops and the criminals not to mention the civilians who just happened to be present. It is imperative that we retain and exercise our rights.

    • tomtrocine
    • 9/18/2013 8:54 AM

    Howard,
    You have made it clear that Starbucks does not support the individual right to keep and bear arms. Please close my Starbucks account and send a refund for the remaining balance on my Starbucks account to me. I will no longer spend my $ at Starbucks (or any other company that does not support fundamental constitutional rights).

    • kiltdkitty@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 8:54 AM

    Just like celebrities, I think businesses should remain non-political. It will hurt you either way and all it does is perpetuate the problem.

    Hey, why not do something good that affects your business directly and is even more important! Start fighting against the GMO's in the products you are buying and passing on! If you truly ARE concerned about your patrons, start fighting for that! Vote YES on 522!!

      • wanderingdaisy
      • 9/20/2013 10:09 PM

      In reply to: kiltdkitty@yahoo.com

      good for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! starbucks also had a really crummy response when asked if they have organic coffee..they said "it's all organic before we grind it"....ReALLY?? i heard that from 3 different shops!!!!!!!!!

    • lwrat@cox.net
    • 9/18/2013 9:02 AM

    I'm authorized by my state to conceal carry and will still go to Starbucks with my weapon concealed. I'm not there to push my agenda but too enjoy my coffee, I'm not on some power trip to let everyone know I have a gun but Starbucks needs to understand the law.

      • NormalJoe
      • 9/18/2013 9:10 AM

      In reply to: lwrat@cox.net

      I wish people to be respectful of my rights and wishes. This then requires me to be respectful of theirs. So respect Starbucks wishes and take your business elsewhere. If enough people do then policies will change. Vote with your dollars, this isn't the worlds only coffee shop!

    • celticwarrior916
    • 9/18/2013 9:18 AM

    After re-reading the letter I must say thank you to Mr. Schultz. It is not an outright ban. Only asking open-carry customers to not make other patrons nervous. Hopolphobia- the irrational fear of guns is a real condition and we should be respectful of those who suffer from it. So long as they do not outright ban good law abiding citizens I will be happy to continue my support of their business.

    • bparthum@midcountypc.com
    • 9/18/2013 9:18 AM

    I will honor your request to NOT bring my gun on your premises by NOT going to any of your locations. My gun is used for my personal safety against the criminals who will NOT honor your request. " Only an insane society would restrict the liberties of healthy people based on the actions of the disturbed."
    John Hayward

    • garrynash
    • 9/18/2013 9:18 AM

    You have got to be kidding me.... You LIBTARD!!!! Gun free zones; i,e, schools, universities, military sites and flaming Democratic cities like New York, Detroit, Chicago, etc. is where bad stuff happens. I spend $200. a month at Starbucks.... NO MORE!!! Good luck with your ridiculous stance !

    • Markarita69
    • 9/18/2013 9:21 AM

    Nobody wants to address the mental illness side of this debate because that perspective doesn't get the media "sizzle" like gun control. So Howard if you are going to respectfully ask abiding gun owners not to carry in your stores, then you have an equal obligation to request the mentally unstable not patronize your coffee shops. I will continue to legally conceal carry and I don't go around showing it to everyone either which is paints a false view that all gun owners open carry.

    • tmelnick@sbcglobal.net
    • 9/18/2013 9:22 AM

    Dear Howard,
    What a clumsy attempt to sit on two chairs at once with one derrière!
    I realize that you have a right to have your own opinion (do you really?) and impose it on your business.
    However, I also have a right to avoid places where management DELIBERATELY put my life in danger. And this is exactly what I will do.

    • marcel_hager@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 9:22 AM

    As a law abiding citizen, veteran, husband and father I will make sure that I do not frequent your stores any longer, nor will anyone in my family or extended family.
    When will people realize that gun free zones ATTRACT criminals because there is no fear of being stopped?

    In a way Starbucks kind of just lost a level of security that probably would keep some of them from being robbed. Once criminals get wind of this, robberies and muggings will likely become more common.

    • RottnJP
    • 9/18/2013 9:23 AM

    Guys, I think this is really about the OC issue, rather than the GC issue... I think. He could have been a little more clear about that.

    But in any case, he is NOT saying the company is banning guns in the store. He is saying that carrying in the stores makes some people uncomfortable, so please don't.

    He *must* mean OC here, because *concealed* doesn't make ignorant anti-gunners nervous.

    As a business owner, he is trying to walk a fine line here...

    • c.cripe17@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 9:26 AM

    I fully support the right to carry a gun, and I believe it the right of every citizen to own one if that's what they want. I ALSO believe it the right of every owner of property used by the public to request certain things not be brought into their store or ban them even. Would you want someone you didn't know to come into your home with a gun? I know I wouldn't. So stop looking at it as a personal affront. They're trying to do their best to make THEIR space less volatile. Who could blame them?

    • jenped77@wildblue.net
    • 9/18/2013 9:29 AM

    As a former Starbucks Partner and a gun owner, I have to say that the way Howard stated this request, is fine. He did not ban guns it was a simple request. He gave respect to both sides.
    Everyone has their opinion. I carry my gun everywhere I go for the protection of my daughter and myself. That s my right. It is also someone elses right not to carry a weapon. The hope here is that customers and partners will feel safer.

    • bdbj09@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 9:30 AM

    Wow really not many smart people in this country is there? Having ppl that carry a weapon for protection around you only makes u much safer! YOU will have other folks that buy them off the street (always will no matter what happens with the 2nd ammendment) bring them in hidden and shoot you or others! As for mental illness? Coffee and other chemicals in it are good for you? And dont make you mental? The facts are the facts! War needed guns against bad ppl so do regular ppl against bad ppl! DUH!

    • RottnJP
    • 9/18/2013 9:30 AM

    ...So for myself, I will continue to enjoy my coffee while carrying concealed, and everyone will be happy.

    The day he comes out against firearms rights in general, or concealed carry, (for example actually banning guns in his stores) will be my last Starbucks coffee day.

    ...But he's not there yet.

    I also personally don't think most OC zealots advance the cause of 2A advocacy in this country, so hopefully he doesn't hold the small number of OC zealots against the rest of us.

    • FOPOS777
    • 9/18/2013 9:30 AM

    My comment is simple...

    I like Starbucks Coffee, but will no longer buy anything Starbucks.

    Shame

    • BrianPaulCoffee
    • 9/18/2013 9:33 AM

    I am a gun owner and I have a license to carry it. I am going to respect Howard's request without argument. There are plenty of other places I can get Coffee - and much cheaper. So long Starbucks. It was nice to know you when you were a great company. Oh, nobody need comment on my account - I will never be logging in again.

    • PatYontz
    • 9/18/2013 9:37 AM

    I will not feel safe in Starbucks so won't be going back. Boo Starbucks ... Bad move

    • sales@ak47world.com
    • 9/18/2013 9:38 AM

    Congratulations Starbucks, you've JUST COMMITTED 'Economic Suicide' & have simultaneously ENDANGERED ALL your now 'defenseless customers' since you cannot guarantee their safety - even with hiring Cops in ALL Starbucks !!! zzz http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html zzz

    • trunthepaige@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 9:40 AM

    I would like to thank you guys for trying so hard to stay neutral. That said I'm very supportive of your efforts to stay out of politics on this issue. I have been a regular customer for my entire adult life. And I'm going to stay a regular customer. I understand your statement, I also understand that you have not told me you do not want my business, even though I'm armed (concealed permit) when I come into your stores. I will be telling my fellow gun rights supporters, you're not our enemy.

      • Sophiasully
      • 9/18/2013 9:48 AM

      In reply to: trunthepaige@yahoo.com

      I agree with you. They are not an enemy in any sense of the term. The sad fact is that we are dealing with bullies on both sides. We can not force a corporations standing on local governmental laws, that many do not understand.

    • Sophiasully
    • 9/18/2013 9:43 AM

    I was very disappointed to about hear this. It's a shame that people took your compliance of local laws, and bullied you. I am pro-second amendment, but I disapprove of fanatic behaviors. I wish you would have continued to stand strong with your previous choice, I felt it was a trailblazing idea. It was ruined by ruined by poster-boards and obtuse behavior. I wish you would have continued to stand strong with your previous choice, but it's not my choice. We're a nation of bullies now...sad.

    • MangoTango11
    • 9/18/2013 9:44 AM

    1) I believe the letter does imply that if gun owners do not comply they will consider a ban.
    2) It is so over top saying that if you are "responsible" you will comply. A responsible gun owner who is lawfully allowed to carry is more responsible if they carry everywhere. Those who pick and choose pretend that they are psychic and Know where and when they will need to defend themselves or their family.
    3) Why not request concealed instead of all guns?

    • krhalsey
    • 9/18/2013 10:03 AM

    The place I feel unsafe is a gun-free zone. The day "no-weapons" signs go on Starbucks doors is the day I will no longer darken their doors. As a gold-card holder since 2010, and a fanatic long before that, I can't count the thousands of dollars I've spent at your store. I hope that you will consider withdrawing this statement - you can ask for no "appreciation days" without telling people to leave their guns in the car. They're the ones who would protect you in a robbery/hostage situation.

    • tessie222@aol.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:04 AM

    Being that this "third place" is no longer honoring my legal right to carry concealed (permitted) I will take my business elsewhere. Criminals will be thrilled to know that no one in your store can stop them. So long...

    • stlhdr49
    • 9/18/2013 10:04 AM

    As I read this it pertains to open carry. CCW, carry on.

      • jpcoxdaytx@yahoo.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:26 AM

      In reply to: stlhdr49

      How much closer do you need to read it when they even underline for you the most pertinent part of the letter? What does "even in" mean to you? Does it mean "only" and "exclusively"? Or, does it mean "also" and "including"?

      Their request is a blanket request: ". . . today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores . . . ."

      If you are a CCW/CHL and you carry concealed into their establishment, then you are ignoring their request.

        • c.ciummo@gmail.com
        • 9/18/2013 11:09 AM

        In reply to: jpcoxdaytx@yahoo.com

        Well look at it from face value. If it's a request, requests can either be granted or denied. If it's a policy then it's a policy.

        They can request all they want and anyone has the mindset to deny that request.

        Personally, I feel it will eventually become policy. That being the case, I'd rather save my dollars and buy better and CHEAPER coffee at Circle K. They just lost a few hundred a year from me in sales. I wonder just how many others are in the same boat.

        I'm betting ALOT.

        • fookdagook
        • 9/18/2013 3:48 PM

        In reply to: jpcoxdaytx@yahoo.com

        Wrong. Starbucks employees received the actual policy and concealed-weapon carriers are NOT involved in this directive whatsoever. In fact, open carriers are still allowed, without question. Know before you speak.

    • SBCBeanCounter
    • 9/18/2013 10:23 AM

    So whats the big deal?? Every business should have the right to welcome or not welcome anyone they want. Very very few people open carry anyway. The rest of us just conceal carry. CC is just smarter anyway.

      • alex.samoylov@gmail.com
      • 9/18/2013 10:35 AM

      In reply to: SBCBeanCounter

      SBCBeanCounter - no one is arguing company/CEO has no right to dictate their rules when you are on their - privately owned - premises. However, CEO just told you he doesn't want you to even conceal carry.
      If you don't like it - don't go to Starbucks. I personally will take my business elsewhere. Last place I want to be in is the gun-free zone - that's where all shootings are happening.

    • rarius@nym.hush.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:27 AM

    Mr. Schultz:
    While you are most probably under great pressure to ban law abiding citizens from your establishments who carry when legal to do so, you may want to consider this:

    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6sEYGcXSmpQ

    The above is video testimony of Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp to Congress. She is a survivor from a shooting, both her parents died, among others. She was banned from carrying inside a cafe-her gun was in the car. She barely survived, she could saved many....

    • mark6teen6teen@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:31 AM

    Well I guess I, and the millions of other gun owners in the U.S. will have to buy our daily coffee elsewhere...

    • alex.samoylov@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:31 AM

    statistically, the unsafest place is the "gun-free zone". That's where all shootings occur, and these are the places to avoid. Adding Starbucks to the places to avoid list.

    • Thomas650
    • 9/18/2013 10:32 AM

    Many comments here only prove the CEO's point. It's not anti-gun or anti-American or anti 2nd Amendment to tell customers to just enjoy the stores and take your political statements elsewhere. It's also none of these things to suggest that crazy people shouldn't own guns, or to say that some of those people who actually believe the government is "taking over" - and who also believe flashing a little sidearm would actually stop that - are not quite of sound mind. Common sense isn't anti-American.

      • TruthBHad
      • 9/18/2013 10:36 AM

      In reply to: Thomas650

      www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6sEYGcXSmpQ

      • Sophiasully
      • 9/18/2013 10:52 AM

      In reply to: Thomas650

      I have a Utah concealed carry permit. I have to disagree with you Sir. I do not think that "flashing a gun" or carrying one concealed, is signs of an unstable mind or give proof that I am a conspiracy theorist. Why are there so many people who are prejudice against gun owners? I do not think all democrats are anti-gun, so why assume all pro-gun people are simple minded gun waving "teabaggers"? Monolithic behavior is very closed minded. I'm actually a nice girl, who owns guns.

      • MangoTango11
      • 9/18/2013 2:06 PM

      In reply to: Thomas650

      As soon as you said "common Sense" you lost my attention. I mean really you are just stating the liberal rhetoric.If they just wanted the political statements to stop they could have said that. I am guessing that would have been respected.

    • alex.samoylov@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:38 AM

    So, private law-abiding citizens are not allowed to carry guns (open or conceal) but government agents, who are statistically far more dangerous with guns, are allowed?
    I wonder if Schulz has been spending too much time with government apparatchicks and Bilderbergers. Won't spend a penny in Starbucks until he is gone and his policies are reversed.

    • leyshon05023@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:38 AM

    I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request...........

    • mpghome2@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:46 AM

    Thank You. Mr Schultz! I wish everyone could understand the words you wrote, stop the rhetoric and BS, and take the debate where it belongs so we can all get back to enjoying our coffee!

    • smith811@charter.net
    • 9/18/2013 10:55 AM

    If you can sell the sheeple five dollar cups of coffee all day long and dictate that they come to your business ready to be a victim.. more power to Starbucks.Only in MERICA could this happen and people praise the company for the great policy request.CONSUME, SHEEPLE ,CONSUME!

    • narobleto@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:56 AM

    I understand that you don't want protests on your front yard. I get that, then why not put out a letter banning all public protests on your premises?

    I never open carry, but I for sure will never go to starbucks again. You shouldn't discourage or unwelcome americans that exercise their second amendment rights. As a wounded veteran from OIF II + III, I am offended that you would not welcome me to your store if I chose to open carry in my state. A right I have bled for, and many of my fell

    • sugzerep@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:57 AM

    Please clarify if concealed carry is OK.

    • smith811@charter.net
    • 9/18/2013 11:01 AM

    I bet Stabucks just got an Obamacare waiver!

    • flowcoul
    • 9/18/2013 11:25 AM

    Good for you Mr. Shultz. Let's leave Starbucks out of the issue and stop staging protests, either way. Starbucks is about overpriced coffee drinks anyway (for which I happily pay a couple times a week because the product is quality controlled).

    • rstanberry
    • 9/18/2013 11:27 AM

    I understand your request, however unless you post a sign at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building this is only a request. I am not an advocate of Open Carry however I do Conceal Carry. If you do decide to post such signs I will no longer be able to support your company. Thanks for understanding my position.

    • kenhof@live.com
    • 9/18/2013 11:27 AM

    So let me get this straight. Legal gun owners said "Thank you" with money and positive PR and anti-gun activist accosted your customers and who did you side with? Very disappointing.
    You realize the only people who will honor this ARE the people you want. That people inclined to unsafe or violent use of guns don't care about this open letter. So like all "Gun Free Zones" Starbucks is now less safe than it was yesterday.

    • jtown702@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 11:56 AM

    What is the difference between this letter & an official company policy? (eventually it will be). I'll answer for you, nothing. Both are completely baseless when it comes to the law. You can ask people not to wear red shirts in your store also. The only repercussion is to refuse service & ask those who refuse to comply to leave. So just man up & create the policy if that's how you feel. Then I can begin going elsewhere for coffee and the rest of your liberal customers can live in ignorant bliss.

    • cwdloneranger@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 2:05 PM

    Howard,

    You have said in the letter that the US Constitution is not worthy of honoring in your store. That the rights of the people are to be circumvented, and many on here have expressed their vitrolic political opinion on both sides of this issue. You will not have my business in the future SIR for this very reason, you have chosen a side while professing to be only a merchant. You would have been better to just sell your coffee and leave social engineering out of it. Life Member, VFW

    • coreyamundson@hotmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 2:08 PM

    Mr. Shultz, I will respect your decision and take my business elsewhere. Although you may believe that this situation was forced upon your company I believe you are living with your head in the sand. You have no idea how many thousands of patrons have carried in your store without you even knowing they were doing so, peacefully exercising their constitutional rights. I only hope you don't live to regret your decision as there are few things criminals love more than defenseless victims.

    • mannindre
    • 9/18/2013 2:11 PM

    While you state that you do not wish to partake in this debate, you just did. In fact, you have picked a side in the debate. You picked the side that was accosting customers and deterring business from your stores. You have just rewarded them for this behavior. Open carry advocates are simply tired of having the police called just because they chose your establishment to buy coffee while going about their business. For that patronage, you've now made them unwelcome.

    • mannindre
    • 9/18/2013 2:14 PM

    If your complaint with open carry advocates is the events being brought to your stores (where they purchased coffee and food while there), why not have your request be that no more events of this nature or sanctioned by your store be held there, instead of the request that they no longer visit your stores. That would be the approach to take if you truly wish to stay out of the debate.

    • KEHinWA
    • 9/18/2013 2:16 PM

    So to translate:
    Dear "very rule abiding, easy to get along with legal gun owners".... Stay out of the store or leave your gun unattended in you car in our parking lot.
    Gun fearful people, pretend the more aggressive or illegal gun owners are doing the same, so you can pretend you are safer.. while we offend the least dangerous customers we have.

    • onestpahd
    • 9/18/2013 2:29 PM

    Thank you for your thoughtful response to a challenging issue - something I've come to depend on Starbucks to do. My brand loyalty endures...

    • onestpahd
    • 9/18/2013 2:30 PM

    Thank you for your thoughtful response to a challenging issue - something I've come to depend on Starbucks to do. My brand loyalty endures...

    • VentiLatte2go
    • 9/18/2013 2:30 PM

    I'm confident that armed psychopaths will comply with this respectfully written request.

      • wanderingdaisy
      • 9/20/2013 10:17 PM

      In reply to: VentiLatte2go

      all they've got to do is EASILY track down an illegal gun and off they go......oh, but wait..they are supposed to get a background check..that is respectfully requested...so, i'm sure they will do that..NO worries....after they go through all the proper channels that have been put in place for our safety i'm sure they will just change their minds and play some more video games or take some more prescription medication.

    • jhj@reagan.com
    • 9/18/2013 2:33 PM

    Thanks for posting this. Now that I am aware of your position in regards to this matter, I will be sure to never visit your chain.

    • jankmay@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 2:53 PM

    While I think activist CEO's, as good fiduciaries, should stand down from issues that might hurt their company's revenues, earnings and stock price, in this country we all have the right to express our opinions, and so does the CEO of SBUX . But, as consumers we all have the right to spend our dollars wherever we please. In the future I will please to spend my dollars elsewhere. I hope all responsible gun owners take the same approach, and I hope that the board of SBUX takes notice.

    • kthhrrsn
    • 9/18/2013 2:53 PM

    Thank you for writing this letter and standing up for what's right. I'm sure that the right-wing mind puppets told all of their minions to bombard the comment section with negative remarks. I want to be on record showing my support for reasonable, sensible gun laws in the US.

    • markformac
    • 9/18/2013 3:02 PM

    Schultz's request raises many legal concerns. Does the customer who enters the store with a gun violate the law of trespass? Does the policy now trigger a prohibited place of concealment punishable criminally in most states? To say "we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores" along with "this is a request and not an outright ban" leaves many legal questions unresolved with respect to those who violate Schultz's request.

    • nancyamitchell@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:03 PM

    thank you.

    • l33hill@aol.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:05 PM

    I will no longer buy Starbucks coffee. I'm not a right-wing puppet, I just know that where gun control exists (DC, Chicago), there are more murders and crime. I don't carry a gun but I support the right of people to do so. You've lost this customer Starbucks, Dazbog, here I come.

    • desertrosef
    • 9/18/2013 3:06 PM

    Mr. Schultz's letter was welcome news to me. I have recently become aware that some of my fellow patrons of Starbucks were possibly carrying firearms. While I realize that many gunowners are sane responsible people, the idea that people carrying weapons might be in close proximity while we are all enjoying our treats really puts a damper on a cozy Starbucks experience. Thanks for your repsectful request, Mr. Schultz.

    • Noneya@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:22 PM

    Even though it is only a request and not a ban, I will not be getting my coffee here anymore. In the letter it said " Whatever your view, I encourage you to be responsible and respectful of each other as citizens and neighbors." Well, how are you respecting my rights at a gun owner? I know losing by business will not hurt you or change your stance, but you have changed my outlook on Starbucks. You lost my business.

    • jtpatton@aol.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:37 PM

    I know you don't want to pick sides, but dancing on the fence never works out well. "Requesting" people leave their guns at home is going upset them and they will take their business elsewhere, or demonstrate infront of your store, or both. The people who are uncomfortable around citizens with firearms are not going to be happy your not banning them. You can't make both sides happy. Of course you could go a completely different way and go after the Police for harrassing your customers.

    • frenigar@yahoo.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:37 PM

    Starbucks has every right to restrict smoking, cell phone usage, carrying a gun and many other behaviors in your stores. That is what is great about living in a free country. I also have the freedom to disagee with you position on carrying a gun and to not patronize your establishments or products. I will be one of those not supporting Starbucks as long as this policy is in effect. I urge you to reconsiuder your position.

    • w7rkj@rkjtech.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:42 PM

    How do I cash out my Starbuck's card so I never have to step foot in one of your establishments ever again??????????

    • beckynewman2222@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 3:48 PM

    Thank you for a thoughtful position which demonstrates respect for customers with a variety of perspectives. While respecting Second Amendment rights, I would, like most Starbucks customers I suspect, prefer that Starbucks not permit open carry at all, to the extent possible in the various jurisdictions within which it operates, but regard this as a positive step by a company which I generally admire and of which I am a loyal customer.

    • hawkde.gaming@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 4:28 PM

    While I will respect your request, as I am a legal law abiding citizen, I am very disappointed in that you have caved in to organizations that demonize firearms when it is not the firearm that is the problem but those who obtain firearms illegally to commit crimes with that is the problem. I have a sneaking suspicion that once this gets out that you will find that a gun free zone does nothing to protect anyone or anything. A criminal is a criminal because they break the law.

    • stephenvlassopoulos@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 5:09 PM

    Hey all you criminals out there! Guess who has full cash registers, tip jars, and now NO GUNS to stop you from waltzing in and helping yourself!

    Way to advertise. Because criminals TOTALLY care about whether you ask them not to bring their weapons.

    The only people affected by your blatant discrimination against our second amendment right are the law abiding citizens who believe in protecting their neighbors.

    Shame on you Starbucks.
    Shame on you Howard Schultz.

    • henry_wisencracker@hotmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 5:15 PM

    Phuck you you mealy mouth coward. I'll never buy your coffee again. It tastes like cat piss anyway.

    • DSCHMIDT20@nc.rr.com
    • 9/18/2013 5:17 PM

    As a libertarian, I respect private property. Naturally I will accomodate your wishes that I no longer carry a weapon onto Starbucks property. However, my right to own and carry a weapon is very important to me--important enough that I avoid doing business with companies that do not respect that right. When and if you change your policy I will consider renewing my relationship with Starbucks. Until then I will shop elsewhere. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.

    • edward.fisher@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 5:20 PM

    I'm very disappointed at Howard Schultz's decision.
    I will no longer give my business to Starbucks.
    It is my sincere desire that Starbucks begin a sharp decline to eventual bankruptcy.
    Thank You for allowing me to exercise my first amendment right to freedom of speech. (My comments do NOT include threats. My comments do NOT include hate speech.)
    Sincerely,
    Edward from Tucson, AZ

    • edward.fisher@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 5:25 PM

    By the way, people who reply to my comments and don't offer up their true name do not deserve a reply and will not receive a reply. I'm no one special who demands the right to know the names of people who reply to me, however, I think it's cowardice to hide behind the veil of anonymity.

    • troyalg
    • 9/18/2013 6:00 PM

    http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/

    • probillofriights@fuckyou.com
    • 9/18/2013 8:58 PM

    As of today, I will be patronizing the locally owned expresso stands in my community! If Starbucks can not support the Bill of Rights of this country, then I can not support them!

    • prjinor
    • 9/18/2013 9:00 PM

    Thank you for stating your request and beliefs so well. I hope that even the people commenting negatively will respect your wishes, and not hold anything against you or your company.

    • Kevin3060@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 9:58 PM

    I have no intention of burning down my house,but I have smoke detectors and fire suppressant .The police carry fire arms with out the intent to shoot anyone . If there were a more effective non lethal method of defending myself and family I would make use of it .The tendency of some on the left to conflate being armed with aggression amazes me.

    • sagitta1213
    • 9/18/2013 10:07 PM

    If you come to my house, I expect you to respect my rules. So, if I go to your house, I expect to respect your rules (and requests, in this matter) as well. Just common courtesy.

    • mike.vanandre@cox.net
    • 9/18/2013 10:24 PM

    As soon as the "No Firearms" signs go up on the doors, you will never get another dime of my money. I have been buying your products for years, but no I guess I'll start looking for another place to buy coffee. Oh, look, already found it! Circle K, Spoonz, Dutch Brothers, Dunkin, Seattles Best...

    • ufgatorfan97
    • 9/18/2013 10:30 PM

    As an American and CWP holder, I appreciate that, as a CEO, Mr. Schultz has the right to make such a request and I respect his courage to make the request. I politely decline and will continue to concealed carry to every locale that it is legal to carry in, and will continue to spend my coffee budget at Starbucks.

    To those concerned that two open carry patrons would be out to shoot each other, your thinking is bad and you should feel bad. Were it me, I would strike up conversation with them.

    • blah@whitecarpet.com
    • 9/18/2013 10:30 PM

    Who cares? I don't spend money at your overpriced coffee house anyway. Bet you wouldn't care is a lib smoked a joint at your place though.

    • danatoracle@netscape.net
    • 9/18/2013 10:32 PM

    I will no longer use your products. Yes you have the right but I refuse to visit establishments that wish to force me into being a victim of violent crime. In 2011, approximately 1,700,000 violent crimes were committed. Mostly against unarmed people.

    • mesmer@bobmail.info
    • 9/18/2013 10:49 PM

    no problem. I'll show up with my machete instead.

    • tjenkins17
    • 9/18/2013 10:49 PM

    Starbucks,

    Thank you for your clarity on your lack of support for the 2nd amendment. I have been a gold card member for years, but not anymore. I will be contacting customer service to have my card canceled and give them a reason why. I will be forwarding your stance to all of my 2nd amendment friends. I am not a gun nut, but a former U.S. Army service member and law enforcement officer that supports the constitution. I support your right of free speech as well, but I will now shop elsewhere.

    • kim.coetser@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 11:12 PM

    Why do you need a gun to drink a coffee?

    • puffstuff@gmail.com
    • 9/18/2013 11:36 PM

    As many have said, it is Starbuck's choice to do this. It is my choice choice to remove Starbuck's products from my store store shelves, which was done today.

    • brian03261@gmail.com
    • 9/19/2013 12:38 AM

    What's next; a memo stating that black people are not welcome because they scare some of your customers, but you will not enforce it? All constitutional amendments are of equal value. Your lack of respect for the US Constitution is a lack of respect to all Americans.

    • Cronos99
    • 9/19/2013 12:45 AM

    Thanks mr Schultz for giving in to anti-gun hysteria. For all that loving you profess for your country you certainly seem to have forgotten the role that gun carrying citizens played in America's birth and freedom from British tyranny. Thanks for caving and making me feel unwelcome in yet another "all-American" establishment. I grew up in a third world dictatorship - trust me, you don't appreciate the freedom you have until its taken away in 'your own best interest.'

    • admin@ipssc.com
    • 9/19/2013 1:55 AM

    I have always supported my local Starbucks because in the past you have supported my rights despite opposition from special interest groups, however, since you've taken the stance to infringe upon my rights, it is with a heavy heart but a steel resolve that I will no longer patronise ANY Starbucks cafe, drive through or purchase any Starbucks product from any store from this point on... I will not support ANY business that does not support my uninfringeable constitutional rights... PERIOD!!!

    • rifleshooter2@comcast.net
    • 9/19/2013 3:25 AM

    I just wanted to say I have been a long time customer and stop at least once a day for your great product. Your former policy to stay out of the gun control debate was wise, however this new stance requesting all persons that wish to be armed not to enter your store is going to cause me to no longer be a customer. I will miss your products, but I refuse to go to any gun free zone and make myself a target.

    • bdecarro@mac.com
    • 9/19/2013 4:15 AM

    Well done Starbucks - I feel much safer visiting your locations knowing there are no guns around!

    • nightfr8nick
    • 9/19/2013 4:26 AM

    SBX's "former" policy to remain neutral on the "gun issue" was both brave and commendable given what must have been a tremendous push from the gun control crowd. It is unfortunate (if not completely unexpected) that SBX feels this change is necessary. Perhaps change is a good thing, as it is what I'll be doing for my coffee need going forward.

    • rebgimenez
    • 9/19/2013 5:16 AM

    A horrible choice for Starbucks. Let me be clear. I am one of your biggest supporters - check my acct - I'm a gold member ever since the program started, I own stock in the company, I drink 5 to 20 drinks per WEEK, and I promote the product. I am female. I am a big proponent of carrying a firearm. I don't carry "open" because I have it in my purse. I have a carry permit. But I will still be coming into your stores, because I don't ever leave it behind. Peace of mind comes with a piece.

    • joegovworker@yahoo.com
    • 9/19/2013 5:16 AM

    Anybody else want to meet me there in a few minutes to hold this place up.. nobody there can really stop us.. DUH!!!!!

    • bobdogk9@outlook.com
    • 9/19/2013 5:24 AM

    You were doing a great job respecting local gun laws. Now you have made a weak request due to actions of a few 2A extremists & to sate people who are upset at the sight of a gun. SBX is my home-office away from home I enjoy the coffee, atmosphere, and employees at "my" SBX. So I sit here today in my regular spot, hot coffee in hand, & my gun safely holstered on my hip. Your employees thanked me for being here & feel safer since your policies do not allow them to carry. Still here, still carrying.

    • fkarlh
    • 9/19/2013 5:27 AM

    Starbucks is in a difficult spot, however, I am sad that Mr. Shultz perpetuates the perception that people should be fearful of law abiding citizens that carry a gun. If they are not threatening anyone or brandishing the weapon, people need to understand that they are in no danger. He states that he doesn't want his staff to "confront" a gun owner (connotation that if confronted, weapon may be used) .This is preposterous. Gun owners are reasonable, law abiding people.

      • JustJJ76
      • 9/19/2013 8:17 AM

      In reply to: fkarlh

      Well stated. I believe that the pathetic fear of inanimate objects is an indication of the falling IQ of the population in general and that the distrust and demonizing of all gun owners is akin the "science" of eugenics that his been often forced upon minorities.

    • hulu22@hotmail.com
    • 9/19/2013 6:08 AM

    Interesting - I like it. Let's face it: Seeing a gun just makes folks queasy - or, at least, it should. Not a match for a nice morning coffee. Thanks for this.

    • Gottaride129@aol.com
    • 9/19/2013 6:25 AM

    Starbucks is well within their GOD given rights to ask legal gun owners to leave their firearms at home. I am expressing my GOD given right to spend my money else where and I will. I will no longer be spending my hard earned money at Starbucks. I will be contacting customer service and cancelling my gold card since I have had since 2006.

    • joshuarodd
    • 9/19/2013 6:32 AM

    Today I'll be turning off auto-recharge on my Gold card (which is getting pretty worn--it's a few years old) and switch my $10/day habit to one of the many excellent, locally-owned coffee shops not pushing GMO foods who hasn't felt the need to write a letter telling me how unreasonable 80 million Americans are because they choose to keep themselves and their families safe.

    I rarely concealed-carry into Starbucks. Never open carried there once.

    • kmullen@fuellogix.com
    • 9/19/2013 6:44 AM

    I've never carried a gun, concealed or openly into Starbucks, and never will. I will get my coffee elsewhere or go without from now on. Considering this information, I'll go a step further and get my concealed carry permit - it's my choice if I have reason to go somewhere that I feel unsafe, and need to keep a gun handy. I don't mind our government knowing that I might be carrying. It's also my choice not to patronize Starbucks, or any other business providing a target for thieves..

    • reeder102@verizon.net
    • 9/19/2013 6:58 AM

    Mr. Schultz, your response is perfectly respectful to both sides of the gun issue. In the interest of comfort for your customers and employees, the request you made is reasonable, and I thank you. Those who choose to "aggressive carry" with assault weapons do make us feel uncomfortable - I look at them as a potiential threat but they see themselves as unsworn deputies. It's so odd. Any gun owner who is of fine character will respect your wishes, enjoy your product and stop crying.

    • rmdr@att.net
    • 9/19/2013 7:35 AM

    Todays press release from Starbucks will be a request for it's customers Not to say grace before eating inside or outside of a Starbucks because it upset the non believers.
    Tomorrow release will be if you ate any pork before coming to Starbucks, please brush your teeth before entering because the smell of pork is offensive to some religions, and lastly, we respectfully request that you leave your freedom of speech outside of Starbucks.

    • JustJJ76
    • 9/19/2013 8:09 AM

    Mr Schultz, I realize this has become a difficult situation for you. I am saddened that you have made such a poor decision using terribly flawed logic. In light of this turn of events - I cannot bring my family into your cafes as long as this lapse in good reasoning is in effect. I understand that my family's business is of little concern to you and I am quite certain that you will continue to do well catering to the liberal, know-it-all, jobless college kids that are your primary demographic.

    • tinabrooks@yahoo.com
    • 9/19/2013 8:29 AM

    I usually spend $12 - $20 per day, 5 days a week, at Starbucks. I happen to carry a concealed firearm. I am also an American who believes that the Constitution should be upheld. I will not be shopping at Starbucks for the foreseeable future. I respect your right to your opinion, however your opinion should not infringe on the rights of others. Farewell Starbucks.

    • cherilaw1@yahoo.com
    • 9/19/2013 8:30 AM

    Ok -- call it what you want sir.."request".....it's a SLAP in the face to those here in Florida - who abide by the laws and in doing so chose to carry a 'concealed weapon'....NOT OPEN CARRY, that's not allowed in Florida. WE THE PEOPLE STILL believe and cherish our 2nd Amend rights. I am NOT a tea-bagger - maybe they should just hang a sign "GUN FREE ZONE" criminals will love that! That's ok..there's plenty of coffee etc., just down the street and no one will ask if I'm carrying my LEGAL weapon.

    • tc297@yahoo.com
    • 9/19/2013 8:38 AM

    Too bad Mr. Schultz chose to politicize a cup of coffee and the Starbucks brand. Not a good business decision. Apparently just like many of our politicians Mr. Schultz has not learned that it is not a good idea to alienate many of his loyal customers. Just like Mr. Schultz I am making a choice. A choice not to spend my money on a cup of Starbucks coffee or anthing else associated with this brand.

    • PumpkinSpice12
    • 9/19/2013 9:16 AM

    It is so disappointing to see such hateful rhetoric from both sides of this issue. I guess the anonymity of Internet postings inspires a complete loss of civility. I have a CHL and usually have a concealed weapon. However, I am conscious about concealing in a way that people won't notice and be alarmed. Furthermore, I carry for self protection, not to make a political statement. Those of us who love our guns should be respectful of people who are uncomfortable around them. They have rights , too.

    • nmh2001
    • 9/19/2013 10:28 AM

    Thank you Starbucks for your decision to no longer allow people to openly carry weapons in their stores. My family and I have been avoiding your stores since we heard that you allowed guns. I do wish you would officially ban them, but I am very happy you are taking this step which will allow me to buy your products again and bring my young children into your stores.

    • arpetti
    • 9/19/2013 10:48 AM

    Thnx Starbucks for modifying your guns-in-the-store policy abt 'open carry'. The biz decision behind SBs shift is abt comp$ & values. Any way they decided to go, they knew they'd lose customers, just a matter which costs&risks were best long term. They chose which customer type they prefer in their stores. Their values about community are consistent w the Constitution's purpose of "domestic tranquility" which no amendment can override. Their biz, their choice, and in turn we're free to make ours

    • randybennett
    • 9/19/2013 11:02 AM

    I appreciate the fact that Starbucks has tried to stay out of this dispute and am sorry that extremists on both sides of the issue are unreasonably pushing the company. I was a police officer for 12 years and now am a private citizen with a handgun permit. Thank you Starbucks for stopping short of an outright ban and I plead with other permit holders to keep guns concealed even if the law doesn't require you to. Tactically it seems to me a much better option to keep a weapon from public view.

    • newshound777@aol.com
    • 9/19/2013 11:03 AM

    I made an account just to comment. This pandering to the leftwing thinking that the majority of law-abiding citizens will just take it is absurd and bad for business. I don't carry a firearm (yet) but I have NO PLANS to buy ANYTHING from Starbucks and they just opened up a beautiful new store right here in Horsham. I try as much as possible to boycott places that are knee-jerk to the GLBT agenda, the gun-grabbers, and all political moves to limit free speech or put people in danger.

    • TruthBHad
    • 9/19/2013 11:16 AM

    @@@ PATRIOTS Don't Let PATRIOTS Go to StarBucks------ STARBUCK's STOCK is taking a beating. Sept 17 CEO announced the "Non-Gun thing", Previous Close of Starbucks Stock was $77.33 per share, now it is trading in or around $76.47 a share. But look at the nice like chart to the left of your screen at the link at the link.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SBUX

    • mlbarnes60
    • 9/19/2013 11:51 AM

    I am deeply disappointed that Howard Schultz feels it is necessary to foist his liberal anti-gun agenda on Starbucks customers while openly championing the catastrophic Obamacare law. Mr. Schultz is tragically misguided on both of these issues and is using his high visibility position to push his customers to support massively flawed policies. I will no longer patronize Starbucks so long as Mr. Schultz chooses to put partisan progressive politics before running his business.

    • rdvs87@verizon.net
    • 9/19/2013 1:27 PM

    I get that they want to remain neutral as much as possible, but with a case like this; you're either with one side or against the other. Fortunately, I don't care for over priced coffee, but my fiancee does so sometimes, I am forced to go inside of starbucks. I can't afford any brushes with the law even in states with legal open carry, I conceal for many reasons. I'm not sure if they now frown upon that, but if they do, I'll have to take my fiancee to dunkin or panera for coffee.

    • jaredkessler
    • 9/19/2013 1:33 PM

    Congratulations to Howard Shultz for taking a stand for what he feels is right - unlike most CEO's and companies who hire a PR firm to say what others want to hear.

    Guns or no guns, people hold onto there amendment rights like they were created in the year 2013. The fact of the matter is, when most of these laws were created it was a completely different world. A world in which you needed these kinds of laws to protect yourself and your family. Let's move forward to today.

    • gofuckyourself@thenearestbathhouse.com
    • 9/19/2013 1:40 PM

    Until today I have spent over $25 a week at Starbucks. Starting tomorrow I will spend precisely $0 at Starbucks.

    • davidtweedel@gmail.com
    • 9/19/2013 1:43 PM

    "enforcing a ban would potentially require our partners to confront armed customers, and that is not a role I am comfortable asking Starbucks partners to take on."

    As a gun owner this is the only part that bugs me. As if , because I carry, I am by default likely to be aggressive and violent. I would conceal carry anyway, but this line of thinking is ignorant.

    • natedog41@gmail.com
    • 9/19/2013 1:47 PM

    How about the CEO just keeps his gun grabbing views to himself? How many gun incidents in his stores can be tracked back to responsible concealed carry customers. It is tiring to watch people freak out and make stupid policies that will only create more violence in their stores when criminals see that those stores will have no resistance except for the cops that are 20 minutes away. I will not be buying anything from Starbucks in the near future until they get a CEO with a brain.

    • trtf4006
    • 9/19/2013 1:48 PM

    I call for no boycott, and I respect Starbucks' right to make decisions governing its business. Whether this be a request or a demand the effect will be the same: responsible, law-abiding gun owners will abide by it.

    As a police officer, and a loyal Starbucks patron since 1986, I do not feel safe being the only person armed in an advertised gun free zone. I regret that I can no longer patronize your business or allow my children to frequent it, given the substantial security risks now present.

    • kkstein@yahoo.com
    • 9/19/2013 1:51 PM

    For now, I'm glad to end my boycott. I still want an outright ban on guns in stores, and I strongly believe that Starbucks' passive "we just follow the law" policy is a cop-out -- they can decide (in states where visible or concealed guns are legal) to either accept or ban them, and their "neutral" policy in effect accepts them. Having said that, I think Mr. Shultz's letter is a step towards more proactively discouraging guns, and that makes me more comfortable returning. Thanks for listening.

    • etriz1@hotmail.com
    • 9/19/2013 2:08 PM

    Law abiding citizens aren't a threat. Those who kill law abiding citizens are unpredictable and will do it regardless. I don't feel comfortable in society because of that threat. Call 911 all you want. By the time they arrive it will be too late. This gives criminals the upper hand and anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot.

    • texaspapa1953
    • 9/19/2013 2:20 PM

    As a proponent of open carry, I can say that I wish things were different, but not carrying in Starbucks for me isn't a problem. I will continue to visit the local shop as often as I have in the past.

    • damedium@gmail.com
    • 9/19/2013 2:37 PM

    This is one debate that Mr. Schultz should have stayed out of. His open "respectful" letter is utterly disrespectful to shareholders. Mr. Schultz' letter caused a loss today to shareholders in excess of $750,000,000. That, is the height of irresponsibility. Notwithstanding the "respectful" tone of the letter, if it were up to me, I'd have fired Mr. Schultz on the spot...and I am neither a gun owner nor a gun rights advocate. I was until today, however, a Starbucks shareholder.

    • Law_Abiding_Citizen
    • 9/19/2013 3:20 PM

    Letter I sent to Starbucks -Part 1:
    I am disappointed at Starbucks changing policy from one of simply following state/local laws, to making law-abiding gun owners and carriers unwelcome. The main reason I always felt safe your stores is knowing that law-abiding, gun-carrying citizens are a deterrent to violent criminals; especially important since I usually don't carry a gun myself. In other words, I relied on the deterrent effect that Starbucks' former firearms policy had on violent criminals.

    • Law_Abiding_Citizen
    • 9/19/2013 3:20 PM

    Part 2:
    Gun-free zones are the least safe places in America, as made indisputably clear by the massing-shootings that have happened in these zones. The only people these zones deter from having guns are the law-abiding. The insanity and tragedy of such zones is that they actually attract the very maniacal killers that we want to keep away, because it makes them the lowest risk places to commit mass murder during the minutes before the police arrive.

    • Law_Abiding_Citizen
    • 9/19/2013 3:21 PM

    Part 3:
    Does Starbucks actually believe violent criminals are deterred by any request not to bring weapons into their stores? It is clear, to anyone exercising any degree of intellectual honesty that the new Starbucks policy will actually increase significantly the chance that a criminal will enter a Starbucks to commit violence on it's patrons and partners. Additionally, a law-aiding, gun-carrying citizen can and, in many cases, have kept casualties much lower than they otherwise would be.

    • Law_Abiding_Citizen
    • 9/19/2013 3:21 PM

    Part 4:
    Therefore, both for making me feel unwelcome and for safety reasons, I will not patronize Starbucks, as long as this new policy stands. I hope Starbucks will see the error of this decision, and revert back to the neutral policy of simply following state and local laws. If that happens I will gladly become a Starbucks customer again.

    • ibmbowfisherman@gmail.com
    • 9/19/2013 3:26 PM

    Go to hell Mr. Schultz. If my choice is leave my gun or go to Dunkin Donuts, I guess Starbucks loses. Fantastic way to turn away profits - asking Americans to leave their 2nd amendment rights in the car.

    I wonder what the Board of Directors thinks of alienating that much of your customer base.... guess we will see as the stock falls today (and hopefully continues to do so!)

    GO TO DUNKIN DONUTS OR MCDONALDS!!!!

    • martin@texas.net
    • 9/19/2013 4:37 PM

    Shredding my Starbucks cards, too many good alternatives. Howard, you didn't have to step into this. You didn't think this posting through, did you?

    • d.mcmahan@comcast.net
    • 9/19/2013 4:45 PM

    Open letter to Starbucks: A sad day. My coffee house is supporting a political agenda. My coffee house is concerned about offending gun-control advocates. I am a good customer and I am offended! Freedom is important. Coffee is not. That just ended a 10-year affair with Starbucks. I predict difficult fiscal times ahead for Starbucks because of this open letter. Farewell.

    • Starfire88
    • 9/19/2013 5:39 PM

    To Mr Schultz,
    It is obvious that you have put a lot of time and thought into a carefully considered action regarding a very "hot" topic. I think Soloman would be proud. As much as you try to be neutral and safe, you have sided against having guns in your store. To me this indicates that Starbucks is now a less safe place. When I have a choice of going for coffee with or without a gun I will choose some other establishment. I am not banning SB from my options just preferring not to go there

    • cuttingedgelandscaping@comcast.net
    • 9/19/2013 6:37 PM

    Well well I think MR Schultz made BIG MISTAKE on legal gun owners not to carry in the stores , I will NOT be shopping at the stores until he changes his policy on legal conceal carry permit holders

    • whydoicarere@yahoo.com
    • 9/19/2013 6:39 PM

    Only took two days for the thugs to realize they can now target Starbucks with little resistance. The PD got them, but that is only because one person was smart enough to get a license plate number, and because the Bryant PD actually cares. Guess all us gun owners should be happy that DD recently built a location in Bryant.

    http://bentonbryant.todaysthv.com/news/news/285813-laptop-stolen-bryant-starbucks-customer

      • kkstein@yahoo.com
      • 9/20/2013 7:33 PM

      In reply to: whydoicarere@yahoo.com

      Not sure what on earth this has to do with guns. We're talking about a laptop here. If you would have dealt with that situation with a firearm...well, that's exactly why some of us don't want you to have one.

    • golf_77
    • 9/19/2013 6:51 PM

    I've been a customer for over 20 years. As an Arizona resident, 2A supporter, gun owner, CCW permit holder, and American citizen, I generally carry a firearm with me at all times where it is legal for me to do so. Frequently, I open carry, but I also carry concealed. I've been handling firearms for nearly 40 years. I recognize and support Startbucks decision as a private entity and property owner, but I do not agree with it. I hope they will reconsider and return to their prior stance.

    • GEisMe
    • 9/19/2013 7:19 PM

    Mr. Schultz should appeal to knife owners, as well. No need to have knives in sheaths hanging off patrons' belts. Or ropes, or candlesticks, or lead pipes or wrenches. Silly and pandering.

      • GEisMe
      • 9/19/2013 7:41 PM

      In reply to: GEisMe

      And let's ask those with large moles, birthmarks, and/or physical deformities to use the drive through. They make others uncomfortable and detract from fully enjoying $5 1,200 calorie, fat-laden caffeinated drinks.

    • markm102@yahoo.com
    • 9/19/2013 7:37 PM

    I won't be buying your products anymore. We do not have a Starbucks here, but I buy your bagged coffee, 4 packs of Frappuccino, and containers of latte and mocha. Figure you'll be saving me about $18.00 a week by your decision. This has made me an informed consumer. I wasn't aware how many anti-gun companies I was contributing to. Won't be buying any Kenneth Cole clothing anymore either.

    • ladalang@gmail.com
    • 9/19/2013 7:43 PM

    Wow a bold move, purposely alienating part of your market share! Schultzy are you making decisions without consulting the professionals again? We have the second amendment still, so taking a stand against the law is pretty cooky. You are going to find out just how many of your customers are law abiding citizens. Can't wait to watch your numbers! This might just be professional suicide. You've just given every American a reason to not pay for your over priced coffee.

    • admin@iconstitution.us
    • 9/19/2013 7:46 PM

    BTW the 12.00 coffee mug I drove 10 miles out of my way on my way home while my family was getting pissed for being late to buy just so I could show you support on one of those Saturdays MDA was trying to destroy your business on and every day on my desk? Well it is in the cupboard and I am using one of the nice free ones that Tech companies gave me for free now.

      • admin@iconstitution.us
      • 9/19/2013 7:50 PM

      In reply to: admin@iconstitution.us

      Oh yes. Forgot skipping lunch so I could go to the bank to pick up the 2.00 bills to pay for the mug just so you would specifically know why I came in that day.

        • lootie
        • 9/19/2013 10:38 PM

        In reply to: admin@iconstitution.us

        I would portray the same significance , had to go to numerous banks just to acquire the 2 dollar bills for the cash register and tip jar. Plus the kicker of going out of my way to specifically support Starbucks with bypassing 2 Dunkin Donut Stores........Don't think I'll continue this patronage.

    • martin@texas.net
    • 9/19/2013 8:51 PM

    I will no longer go to Starbucks. And to those who think Starbuck's has a right to do what they want with their property, I agree. And I will defend that right with all available and appropriate means. I would vigorously defend your right to limit access to your own property, even if I were excluded. Some of the people on this blog should be thanking God that there are still people like me in this Country. People that will defend their rights whether or not they agree with them.

    • lootie
    • 9/19/2013 10:21 PM

    Mr Schultz,
    Another Open Letter or an all out PR "meet and greet"
    with those unsettling, upset "customers"?

    Join us to ..."celebrate Starbucks" this Sat., Sept. 21. Take a picture of yourself at your favorite Starbucks, enjoying your coffee with gun sense, and send it to us at photos@momsdemandaction.org. Share it with your friends on Facebook and on Twitter, and use the hashtags #CelebrateStarbucks and #MomsDemandAction.

    Tell us and your friends what you missed most about Starbucks!

    • lootie
    • 9/19/2013 10:51 PM

    Mr Starbucks,
    You do realize that Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense
    are the group that prodded us 2nd Amendment supporters.

    • baggett.patrick@gmail.com
    • 9/20/2013 7:54 AM

    Hah. 750 comments and counting. Mostly b*tchy towards other posters. Can you blame a business owner for not wanting this garbage in his or her store? Oh right. 750 comments. I guess many of you can. :(

    Consider if this was "[pro/con] *** marriage" or "[pro/con] abortion" rallies. The issue is polarizing. It will bring in one group and cause another to boycott. Starbucks looks to remain neutral ground where coffee is sold, not be known as a supporter or detractor. Respect his wishes.

    • baggett.patrick@gmail.com
    • 9/20/2013 8:01 AM

    It's very saddening to think that people are really that blinded by their position not see from the perspective of a business that has no political interest either way, i.e. Starbucks will continue to operate essentially identically whether or not open carry laws are expanded or removed. The only thing it can control is the culture it keeps inside. For some, the thought of a business that doesn't love seeing customers who are armed is offensive. What interest does Starbucks have in gun laws?

    • gjrissky
    • 9/20/2013 8:32 AM

    I was more than supportive when Starbucks stayed out of politics, deferring to the state laws that govern carry of firearms. Starbucks has no legal recourse to make this request in Texas, and I would venture that is true in other states, as well. Instead, Starbucks now decides to push their political agenda by "requesting" we leave our guns outside. They should have requested everyone leave their politics outside. If you live in a state and disagree with the law, change it or move.

    • coachsteve@Hotmail.com
    • 9/20/2013 12:05 PM

    First, I applaud your level-headed approach and courtesy in this request (and not demand). I disagree with your decision, but I think that open carry does inflame some anti-gun types. However, I just called your corp 800 #, and got a mushy answer. Your position on open carry is clear. On concealed, it ws not. While I am not a big fan of open carry, unless it's a school or gov't fac, I always carry concealed. Please clarify your policy on that aspect.

    • so5084@aol.com
    • 9/20/2013 12:34 PM

    The million dollar question here is will the felon, the thief, the rapist, the murderer, also comply with the request?

    I doubt they will - after all, they are willing to assault, beat, steal, rape and kill, so another gun "law" or request won't deter them.

    Since law abiding gun owners will respect the decision, this means the the thug, rapist, killer, knows Starbucks is now an easy target, just as are schools and other "gun free" zones.

    Good luck with that.

    • so5084@aol.com
    • 9/20/2013 12:34 PM

    The million dollar question here is will the felon, the thief, the rapist, the murderer, also comply with the request?

    I doubt they will - after all, they are willing to assault, beat, steal, rape and kill, so another gun "law" or request won't deter them.

    Since law abiding gun owners will respect the decision, this means the the thug, rapist, killer, knows Starbucks is now an easy target, just as are schools and other "gun free" zones.

    Good luck with that.

    • cancancampbell@gmail.com
    • 9/20/2013 12:44 PM

    Goodbye Starbucks. Your recent decision to blame the gun owners of America for dragging you into the gun control debate has caused me to take my business elsewhere. Maybe you should have asked the anti-gun groups to leave you alone as much as you asked the law abiding gun owners to leave you alone.

    But, if you don't want our money, someone else does.

    • hillsboro43@yahoo.com
    • 9/20/2013 2:07 PM

    The request is: " customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas." Seems Howard, or his firearms-ignorant letter-writer minion, has thrown the concealed carriers out with the bathwater.

    I didn't just leave the house and go to Starbucks. I stopped en route, running errands. I won't leave my weapon in the car, so despite my CC, this female won't buy another Starbucks anything, including products from the grocery bought to support your previous position.

    • hillsboro43@yahoo.com
    • 9/20/2013 2:13 PM

    For the libs, I have a MS from an Ivy league college and don't engage in deviant sexual acts beginning with 'tea'. I think for myself and follow no marching orders except logic and the Constitution. If you would give logic a try, rather than emotion and progressive messaging as an operating system, you might understand the principles involved here. This is not trivial, but reflective of the pervasive movement to fundamentally transform this nation into a socialist totalitarianism.

    • survivaltrucker@gmail.com
    • 9/20/2013 3:18 PM

    Even though this is a "request," the mere fact that Starbucks is willing to try and discriminate, based on anti-American principles and a denial of the Constitution, is cause enough for to our money elsewhere and support businesses that believe in American freedoms. Starbucks caved to the anti-American liberal sentiment that's unfortunately around today. Our group alone used to spend about $15K a year for morning Starbucks. Not now. We can't support anti-Constitutionalists. Thanks, sand-headers.

    • aircanada787@gmail.com
    • 9/20/2013 3:35 PM

    Ok, Starbucks is a PRIVATE BUSINESS. They can request that you don't bring guns into their stores.

    • Derekriddle1@gmail.com
    • 9/20/2013 3:37 PM

    For the record I live in Arkansas and I frequent many different Starbucks locations. I am also a concealed carry permit holder. If you see me in a Starbucks you can bet I will have my 45 on my side regardless of this misguided request. In addition, should I find myself in the unlikely situation of a robbery in one of your many fine locations, Mr. Schultz, I will be willing and able to defend the lives of your other patrons or employees even if they disagree with me having a gun in the first place

      • jmgtoday@yahoo.com
      • 9/21/2013 9:00 AM

      In reply to: Derekriddle1@gmail.com

      I too have a CHL. However, I will not put my life in danger nor my personal holdings in jeopardy to protect "sheeple" who choose to rely on others protect them rather than take the necessary steps to become independent and care for themselves and their loved ones. I would certainly protect myself but would never intervene to protect the store's employees or their customers. Why? After the smoke cleared, Starbucks and the "sheeple" customers would drop me in the grease if at all possible.

    • Pizzaman7
    • 9/20/2013 4:40 PM

    Screw yourselves Starbucks ! The law in Wisconsin is that you have to have a 5" x 7" sign on your front door(s). Go ahead and place them there then watch your business nose dive. Either that or you will have to ask me to leave.

    I have a license to carry and very skilled with a gun. I carry everywhere. I have never shot anyone. I take offense to you treating me as a criminal and taking my rights away. Gun free zones are dangerous and there is no way I will visit your stores.

    • Pizzaman7
    • 9/20/2013 4:46 PM

    Furthermore, there is tremendous support from everyone on guns. Even many Democrats. Don't believe it ? Look what happened in two Democratic counties in Colorado. The politicians lost their jobs for their stupid gun grabbing ways. It is in our constitution. Our founding fathers were very smart people.

    The issue is not legal responsible gun owners. This guy was denied an AR-15 but he had a grudge. He was mentally ill and there were priors on this guy and a history. Guns don't kill.

    • Pizzaman7
    • 9/20/2013 4:49 PM

    Lastly, drunk driving, knives, and bats kill a lot more people than guns do. How come we don't have discussions about taking those away from anyone. The far left has a fixation with inanimate objects. By this strange logic if someone drinks and drives, and causes harm, everyone should lose their car !

    For some people the arguments are not based on facts...it is all emotion. We sensationalize the mass shootings but over-all guns are only responsible for 1.2% of our deaths in this country.

      • kkstein@yahoo.com
      • 9/20/2013 7:31 PM

      In reply to: Pizzaman7

      "over-all guns are only responsible for 1.2% of our deaths in this country"

      That includes natural deaths (e.g. from old age). If you take natural deaths out, the percentage is quite a bit higher.

    • byeSBX@yahoo.com
    • 9/20/2013 5:51 PM

    You made your choice now I will make mine!
    I am a HAPPY ex-customer. I frequented your stores more AFTER your support then I had ever done before. NOW, I will not darken your doorstep. BTW, I hold 2 CCW permits and always carry concealed but that was before SB fell to pressure from anti-gun nuts. If you must choose which group you will support I hope you will be happy with your chosen alliance!

    My entire family and all my friends are 2nd Amendment supporters.
    We all say, nyet!

    • byeSBX@yahoo.com
    • 9/20/2013 5:51 PM

    You made your choice now I will make mine!
    I am a HAPPY ex-customer. I frequented your stores more AFTER your support then I had ever done before. NOW, I will not darken your doorstep for any reason. BTW, I hold 2 CCW permits and always carry concealed but that was before SB fell to pressure from anti-gun nuts. If you must choose which group you will support I hope you will be happy with your chosen alliance!

    My entire family and all my friends are 2nd Amendment supporters.
    We all say, nyet

    • kkstein@yahoo.com
    • 9/20/2013 7:23 PM

    It's great to see some gun owners reply with reasonable responses (even if they disagree). But I can't understand responses like "now I won't be able to protect people any more." When have those people prevented a mass killing? I also don't understand how so many gun owners concerned with their individual rights are slamming Sbux for making a choice as a private business. Finally, I'm happy that all these gun owners are going to be boycotting...fewer guns in Sbux is what we were hoping for.

      • Law_Abiding_Citizen
      • 9/20/2013 10:49 PM

      In reply to: kkstein@yahoo.com

      Kkstein: Your comments are representative of a common misconception. There are many examples of citizens carrying firearms that have stopped mass killings from happening. The fact that they were prevented from becoming "mass" numbers of dead, coupled with the fact that the mainstream media has no interest in reporting stories that makes having armed law-abiding citizens look good due to their political agenda means that such cases largely go unreported.

      • Law_Abiding_Citizen
      • 9/20/2013 10:50 PM

      In reply to: kkstein@yahoo.com

      To Kkstein - continued:
      The following article is helpful on this point:
      http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/it-true-armed-civilians-have-never-stopped-mass-shooting_690808.html?page=2
      Please take the time to read it.

        • dnlpratt86@gmail.com
        • 9/21/2013 8:06 AM

        In reply to: Law_Abiding_Citizen

        this wasn't a mass killing but do you remember a few years ago Sarah McKinley had two people break into her house and they had a knife and it was just her and her infant in the house she shot one of them and killed him or the 12 year old girl Kendra St. Clair that had to shoot a home intruder imagine how the firearms they used saved their lives but you will find something wrong in that and have something stupid to say about it because all you anti gun people are like you should call the cops

        • dnlpratt86@gmail.com
        • 9/21/2013 8:06 AM

        In reply to: Law_Abiding_Citizen

        this wasn't a mass killing but do you remember a few years ago Sarah McKinley had two people break into her house and they had a knife and it was just her and her infant in the house she shot one of them and killed him or the 12 year old girl Kendra St. Clair that had to shoot a home intruder imagine how the firearms they used saved their lives but you will find something wrong in that and have something stupid to say about it because all you anti gun people are like you should call the cops

      • pestyali@aol.com
      • 9/22/2013 12:44 PM

      In reply to: kkstein@yahoo.com

      kkstein: And Starbucks will thank You for making up for all the lost profits because you will increase YOUR spending at Starbucks to make up the difference....Right? Boy, your something else....

    • atriusofbricia@gmail.com
    • 9/20/2013 8:52 PM

    This request from Starbucks CEO is also a request for me to take my business elsewhere.

    As a direct result of this policy I will no longer go to your stores, nor will I buy your beans in supermarkets, nor will I recommend anyone else to do so and I will be happy to inform every CCW holding person I know that their business is no longer welcome at Starbucks. It is regrettable that Starbucks caved to a minority view point of noisy extremists.

    • JosephBaileyForever@comcast.net
    • 9/21/2013 3:03 AM

    Will Starbucks do the same for mentally ill deranged murderer's? All of the mass shootings are done by the criminally insane or flat out someone who claims to be mentally ill. This American is not bothered by the Starbucks request provided it is fair. Meaning, call out the crazies and tell them to get or leave the law abiding gun owners who patron your business alone.

    • rpcatrh@yahoo.com
    • 9/21/2013 7:07 AM

    You have asked the public to voluntarily give up their American liberties to walk in your front door because of a misguided perception that firearms owners are in some way a threat to personal safety. Many times, every day my safety is is threatened by people who disobey traffic laws. Will they be asked to leave as well? This policy is based on bigotry and brings back the days of the segregated lunch counter. You can't have a sense of community while perpetuating bigotry.

    • dnlpratt86@gmail.com
    • 9/21/2013 7:31 AM

    well understanding that this is a request right now all they have to do is put a sticker on the door that says no guns and then it becomes a crime to take a firearm into a starbucks I will no longer frequent starbucks anymore because of their take on gun control I was raised around firearms so I made my own educated choice on choosing to have them in my life most of you on here that have a negative opinion have probably never even been around them our country was created by people standing up for

    • dnlpratt86@gmail.com
    • 9/21/2013 7:36 AM

    what they believed in and what did they use they used firearms to claim their freedom and found our great nation I understand that there are crazy people out there but look at how many children and adults are killed by drunk drivers every year but know one is lobbing to ban alcohol

    • kertolo@yahoo.com
    • 9/21/2013 8:45 AM

    Dear Howard: list the number of times a "ban" kept a maniac from murder. Then, list the number of times someone shooting back saved people from murderers. Go ....

    • jmgtoday@yahoo.com
    • 9/21/2013 8:48 AM

    It appears you are willing to compromise the rights of lawful firearms owners because of the "discomfort" some of your customers may "feel". What if your customers are "uncomfortable" with someone nursing their baby, or someone with a prosthetic, or something else. While you do have the right as a business owner to make your request and to attempt to limit the rights of lawful citizens, we too have the right not to patronize your business. Consider me a "former" Starbucks customer.

    • jmgtoday@yahoo.com
    • 9/21/2013 9:06 AM

    Wow! I feel better already. Saving $5.00 a cup and reducing about 1,200 calories at the same time is great. Thanks Comrade Schultz. You and Mrs. Obama are on the right path (or should I say "left" path). Be careful though, those high caloric coffee creamers you push, et al, will bring Bloomberg and Michele down on you quick time.

    • cismar@comcast.net
    • 9/21/2013 1:33 PM

    Imagine the letter said this:

    "Recently, however, we’ve seen the “openly ***” debate become increasingly uncivil and, in some cases, even threatening. Pro-*** activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called “Starbucks Appreciation Days” that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of “openly ***.” ...

    Would you still support the suppression of one groups rights to accommodate the intolerance of another group?

    I wont.

    • cismar@comcast.net
    • 9/21/2013 1:34 PM

    Fascinating, Starbucks wont even allow you to use the word g@y.

    How much more homophobic can you be?

    • doulos4Jesus@yahoo.com
    • 9/21/2013 2:35 PM

    Mr. Schultz,

    I have been a daily customer for a number of years, spending an average of between $6.00 - $10.00 a day.

    I respect you right to set whatever policies you choose on your private property.

    However, I am deeply offended by your decision to take a public stand against the 2nd Amendment and I will no longer patronize Starbucks. I will use every recourse at my disposal to encourage other 2nd Amendment supporters to do the same. This is my right.




    • jennifernava
    • 9/21/2013 3:26 PM

    Good Americans have died defending our 2nd Amendment rights, and I'm not giving money to a company that would ask me to waive them.

    • jeepchick89
    • 9/21/2013 8:31 PM

    Shame on you, Starbucks. Is it not enough that you ban Partners with a CCW from bringing their guns inside – therefore greatly decreasing our safety in the event of a robbery or shooting? Now, you are encouraging law-abiding, responsible customers to forfeit their rights to carry something that could save their life and many other lives, because it might make a random bigot uneasy?! Starbucks deserves every bit of criticism and loss of business they will get as a result of this letter.

    • lootie
    • 9/21/2013 8:53 PM

    Mr Schultz,
    Will you be requesting that "Moms Demand Action Org." not openly display their T shirts while on Starbucks premises or use your establishments as a background for their political rallying?

    • Beezel
    • 9/22/2013 3:09 AM

    Ok just a thought. If you make it official that no guns regardless of concealed or open carried are allowed in your store. How about the drive through? :P In my jurisdiction it is legal for me as a concealed weapon permit holder in my car to have my firearm laying in my lap un-holstered in plain open sight. Will I still be refused service even though I am in a drive through?

    • LvnFreeinABQ@gmail.com
    • 9/22/2013 7:53 AM

    Although the law allows me to parade down the street wearing a jock strap, I would consider it rude behavior. Likewise with open carry in a Starbucks. I have, and will continue to carry concealed, until the signs go up. Having been mugged and robbed at knife-point, I've taken a stand. I'm too old to grapple with anybody, but I'm very well trained with my firearm, including all legal ramifications. That's my opinion.

    • iliveoutside@hotmail.com
    • 9/22/2013 12:52 PM

    As a person who travels and enjoys coffee, I have come to rely on the ubiquitous Starbucks for quality coffee. Sadly, I will no longer frequent Starbucks as a result of this one sided decision. Starbucks says it does not want to "take sides", but it clearly has taken a stance with anti 2nd Amendment extremists. Although I enjoy Starbucks coffee, I value my life vastly more, and will not frequent businesses that create their own "gun free zones" which put me and my family at risk.

    • mrsburlygirl
    • 9/22/2013 2:32 PM

    Thank you to HS for stating your position so clearly. I'm sorry so many folks can't seem to read your words for content and are spinning it like crazy. Personally, I don't see an issue in not carry a weapon in Starbucks. Frankly, if I felt I HAD to carry a weapon/gun into one of your store (my stores as a stockholder) - I think I would find someplace else to get my burned bean fix...

    • cvcoco
    • 9/22/2013 6:05 PM

    As a 50-year gun owner and regular shooter, i commend Starbucks on intelligent sensitivity. People on both sides are being too sensitive and have posted without even reading the letter. The concept of "check your guns at the door" isnt new, Wyatt Earp had people leaving their guns outside bars and also the whole towns at times. Nobody was anti-gun and there was no infringement of rights. Starbucks doesnt want people to get shot at their shops, whats so hard to understand?

      • hillsboro43@yahoo.com
      • 9/23/2013 7:39 AM

      In reply to: cvcoco

      Cvcoco, even now, responsible law makers and gun owners know that weapons and alcohol don't mix. There are still laws in most states that exclude legal weapons owners/carriers from bringing their weapons into bars. I certainly think that makes sense, as we know that alcohol lowers inhibitions and can cause some people to become more aggressive. Weapons and coffee, not so much of a problem. Try a more cogent argument next time. Logic just isn't on your side with that one.

    • damonbrogdon@yahoo.com
    • 9/22/2013 6:37 PM

    So because some anti-2A jerks confront customers who choose to exercise their Constitution rights - you're going to penalize the people who are obeying the law? That does not make a lot of sense. You say you don't want your stores used for political grand standing by pro-2A people? No problem. Tell them to sit down, shut up, drink their coffee. You're a private business. You have the right to refuse service to any customer for any reason. But the smartest thing to do - obey local laws!

    • adamsseven@hotmail.com
    • 9/23/2013 11:38 AM

    Thank you for warning me that you'll be thrusting your willing employees into the roll of informers. I would not want to be mindlessly sipping in your coffee utopia where an employee may call the local law enforcement to remove a fellow customer. I may not feel relaxed and comfortable as I watch police uphold a mere trespassing violation by arresting and cuffing a law abiding citizen. It may make me feel unsettled and upset to watch you trample all over the values and rights of your customers.

    • adamsseven@hotmail.com
    • 9/23/2013 11:39 AM

    A company's values are very important to me, and in this spirit I will be going to Chick-fil-A instead.

    • spalmajr@gmail.com
    • 9/23/2013 2:03 PM

    As a firm supporter of 2nd Amendment rights, I have to agree with his position. Starbuck's is an enterprise with a broad and diversified customer base; all of whom don't share the same passion and enthusiasm for firearms as we do. It's no different than sitting in the store's outdoor area and being subjected to interacting with a miscreant of single digit I.Q. who's overly impressed with themselves. Howard, please ban morons from your outdoor areas too. Thank You.

    • benkurtzer@gmail.com
    • 9/23/2013 3:01 PM

    You have managed to alienate both law-abiding gun carriers and those who oppose carrying guns. You abide by the laws of 43 states that allow open carrying, yet ask people not to carry in your stores. Are you prepared to provide armed security and metal detectors at your stores? Because the only people who will not respect your voluntary gun ban are criminals. At the same time, by refusing to ban guns, you insult those opposed to gun carry. You've managed to get it wrong both ways!

    • darkroomdude
    • 9/23/2013 8:04 PM

    I'm 40 years old, own three weapons, got my hunting license when I was in the 7th grade, have lived in high-crime, urban areas all my life, and was robbed at gunpoint while on the job at a retail store and had to testify in court against the alleged robbers when I was in high school.

    My experience is that most gun owners who want to carry their weapons in urban or suburban public areas are paranoid, weak, and have something to prove. If you want to live with us in society, stop being cowards.

      • darkroomdude
      • 9/23/2013 8:05 PM

      In reply to: darkroomdude

      And by "us" I mean the vast majority of people who are able to function without needing a weapon to compensate for something lacking...love, courage, you name it.

    • dan2356
    • 9/23/2013 9:23 PM

    I hope there is never a time when an act of violence is upon you or your family. If there is I bet you would be glad that some responsible gun carrying person was there to protect you and your family like the situation at the Mall in Portland when a responsible citizen carrying was able to confront the gunman. He saved lives that day.Something to think about. I am willing to stop buying Coffee from Starbucks knowing that you are not willing to see the other side of the coin.

    • Indyguyfishers@yahoo.com
    • 9/24/2013 7:47 AM

    As a long time gun owner, CCW, and certified NRA instructor...I have been a Starbucks customer for a long time. I'm pretty stunned to see the irrational emotions being thrown around here. People that carry firearms are not the bad-guys people. We're your fathers, mothers,brothers, sisters, and family members. I will continue to frequent Starbucks. I acknowledge their request to not carry a firearm and simple choose to "ignore" their request. If they get robbed while I am there I will do nothing.

    • scottkinwa
    • 9/24/2013 11:33 AM

    Time for me to find a new coffee house. See ya around Howard.

    • Law_Abiding_Citizen
    • 9/24/2013 4:48 PM

    Starbucks card balance refund steps:
    Here's how law-abiding gun owners and supporters can get a refund of your Starbucks card balance, to send them a strong and financially painful message:
    1. Go to Starbucks.com home page
    2. Scroll to very bottom of page, and click "Contact Us"
    3. Click on "Starbucks Cards"
    4. Select "Returning a Starbucks Card" or "Other" from the drop down menu
    Cont'd next post...

    • Law_Abiding_Citizen
    • 9/24/2013 4:49 PM

    continued...
    5. Fill in all the info including card # and address (since they only will mail you a check, not refund it to credit card)
    6. Include a message that makes clear your reason for requesting the balance be refunded. Be sure to include the 8 digit security # on your card (most are on back of card to the right of the Card #), and also check the box that your want them to contact you. They'll email you back either confirming they're sending the refund check or requesting more info.

    • higgledy@gmail.com
    • 9/24/2013 7:01 PM

    Schultz caved to the million mad moms. Next Starbucks will probably be handing out free birth control and abortions with each latte since whorish accoutrements are the only things today's women understand.

      • hillsboro43@yahoo.com
      • 9/27/2013 3:11 PM

      In reply to: higgledy@gmail.com

      I must be yesterday's woman as I understand a lot of things and do not support unlimited abortion. I do support both the first and second amendments, so won't be heading into a Starbucks again any time soon. It's certainly your right to paint all women with the same brush, but we're not a monolithic culture.

    • jenniferdias70@yohoo.com
    • 9/24/2013 9:16 PM

    You can keep your over priced coffee. I'll take my money & my 2nd Amendment elsewhere!

    • p27601
    • 9/24/2013 9:54 PM

    I get that some people don't feel good with open carry weapons, but what about the conceal carry folks? Isn't conceal carry a fair compromise? The CEO's letter says he doesn't want ANY guns in his store which seems like a one sided solution. Until he explicitly notes that he welcomes conceal carry (for states where it is legal), then I will have to take my business elsewhere.

    • instructor-1@hotmail.com
    • 9/25/2013 8:07 AM

    I'm pro gun, firearms instructor, and love Starbucks (use to be a barista).

    I daily carry a firearm and will still go to Starbucks.

    I respect Starbucks request because as a responsible gun owner , I choose to exercise the same maturity in respecting others views regarding this constitutional right which each individual must decide for themselves.

    I encourage everyone who carries a firearms to consider this position and respect Starbucks request as well!

    • fnwsi@hotmail.com
    • 9/26/2013 3:39 PM

    Good, let it be the liberals place to hang-out, leave the good restaurants and coffee shops for us pro-Americans that follow the Second Amendment rights of citizens of the USA.

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    Enjoy!

    • jim1450
    • 9/27/2013 2:37 AM

    I'm a regular customer in Ohio, I usually several times a week & sometimes more than once a day.
    I am a law abiding gun owner & do respect his decision but I do not patronize businesses that ban people who legally possess & carry firearms.

    A criminal doesn't care if it illegal to to have a firearm in a no gun zone!
    I would however patronize a gun free business if they had armed security but I don't see Starbucks doing that.

    • amarajohns
    • 9/27/2013 4:54 AM

    I'm sorry that Mr. Shultz feels the need to humor the bigotry of some of his customers by demanding that the victims of the bigotry change their behavior.

    I'll bet a very sizeable percentage of his customers also feel "uncomfortable" when a group of young men in hoodies and gang colors and teardrop tattoos on their faces enter the establishment, but he wouldn't dream of asking them to leave their gang insignia at home, would he?

    • RightToCarry
    • 9/27/2013 8:54 AM

    I appreciate Starbucks' position and right to this request. Apparently, many who commented did not read the letter throughly. Howard Schultz did not ban, nor is he turning away, open carry gun owners. He makes it very clear by stating, "First, this is a request and not an outright ban." As a CHL holder, I will probably still conceal carry inside Starbucks. The point of concealment is no one knows it's there and it's non-threatening. My right, my gun, my choice, my responsibility. End of story.

    • lkwh@hotmail.com
    • 9/28/2013 12:27 AM

    I am very disappointed hearing this stance Starbucks has chosen to take regarding gun control. When SB took a stance on pro-*** I chose to continue being a customer Now that SB has chosen an anti-gun stance I think it is time I find a safer place to have my coffee. You have chosen to infringe on people's right to have their lawful guns with them when they have coffee.
    Yes, once my card is emptied (which will be about 3 more cups of coffee) I will no longer patronize Starbucks.

    • Graugeist@comcast.net
    • 10/1/2013 5:40 PM

    I do have to say this. I live in Pennsylvania, and the last estimate that I heard, was this. If you took all of the gun owners in the state of Pennsylvania you would have the worlds 3rd largest army. That is a lot of coffee drinkers that may not go to Starbucks any more. I know I won't be going until Starbucks changes their mind, and realizes that gun laws do not stop criminals. They do not follow laws, only the good people do.

    • aw2970@gmail.com
    • 10/4/2013 8:03 AM

    The Million Moms group who pushed this is a million women who cannot think for themselves. Starbucks is not above the constitution. Rather than have trained and licensed individuals with their weapons, you would prefer them left unsecured in a vehicle? You think a criminal is going to see this and turn at the door? NO, they now know that patrons and employees are defenseless. Worst decision, Starbucks. You have lost not only my business, but my respect.

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    • ousa89@gmail.com
    • 10/10/2013 3:55 AM

    I just want to say thank you for the insight into your ideological beliefs and I will no longer be buying my bags of coffee from this company or frequenting the local store. This in effect will allow me to spend my money at other local shops supporting business that does not carry this view point and either keeps their mouths out of politics and supports intelligence not lies.

    • jeff_sampsell@yahoo.com
    • 10/25/2013 9:52 AM

    I do not envy the policymakers of any company as dealing with topics like this are extremely challenging. What I will say is that any overt action which directly alienates an individual or a group is never a good thing. I know that the Starbucks next to my gun shop no longer receives my business, or that of my customers,as I make sure that everyone who enters my shop knows Starbucks' position. While I miss my pumpkin spiced latte, there are other options. What a shame, but I won't give in.

    • jeff_sampsell@yahoo.com
    • 10/25/2013 9:56 AM

    Also wanted to make one more comment which may or may not have already been mentioned as I have not read each and every post. Keep in mind that while criminals may be sick, they are not alway stupid. They will usually take the path of least resistance which means attacking people and places where they can maximize casualties, while minimizing the likelihood of resistance. Movie theaters, malls, college campuses, gov't buildings. All of these "guns prohibited" places have been victimized.

    • barry@soon.com
    • 11/10/2013 7:08 PM

    It's a shame that he doesn't feel the same way about treif food being brought into and sold in his store.

    • roguesniper747
    • 11/12/2013 1:33 PM

    Just wondering if your going to ask gays or blacks to stop coming in your stores next?

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    • fwbrown@bellsouth.net
    • 11/28/2013 9:39 PM

    I've had a Gold Card since they first became available. My son and daughter-in-law also have Gold Cards. However, we have not purchased anything from Starbucks since this anti-firearms policy was announced in September. I myself have never openly carred in Starbucks, and have only rarely carried concealed there. Most of my purchases were made in the drive-through on my way to work. But we will not do business with any merchant who attempts to discourage the carrying of firearms.

    • fwbrown@bellsouth.net
    • 11/29/2013 10:21 AM

    If the "request" had been, "Please don't hold Appreciation Days or otherwise imply that Starbucks supports open carry. We are neutral. Bring your guns or not, it's your choice, but don't involve us in your political cause. We will continue to abide by state laws and take no position on this issue." That would have been a reasonable request. Instead, by saying "Leave your guns home" Starbucks has taken a position clearly on the anti-firearms side and that is an insult to all legal gunowners.

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    • Bikermannms@gmail.com
    • 12/7/2013 3:08 PM

    Your pitiful little signs mean nothing in most states! In most states with concealed carry laws, the person with concealed carry can carry into facilities marked with no gun allowed signs and not be in fear of legal action. I love to walk into a Starbucks now and pee on my breaks and NO longer spend a dime there because they do not recognize my Constitutional rights. By the way, I carry my gun every flipping time.

    • tladoux@yahoo.com
    • 12/14/2013 6:08 AM

    I am fairly new to Starbucks coffee and just created an account but now I after seeing this policy I plan to never go to Starbucks again. Starbucks' stance is un-American. Starbucks does not understand the Constitution of the USA nor our rights as citizens of the United States. Who at Starbucks will protect my rights and life if some thug comes into a Starbucks knowing that he has no fear of a defense? Therefore, Starbucks does not care for the welfare of its customers or employees.

    • SkylerDeLao@live.com
    • 12/15/2013 4:28 AM

    Hello everyone,
    I want to make it noted that so many starbucks employees own guns and support conserving their rights. Also that, the only need for a gun at a coffee shop, would be protection from a threat. God forbid, now the threat comes due to the attractiveness of this discussion, and now more good people are unarmed.
    Thanks,
    Skyler

    • kill456
    • 12/15/2013 7:22 AM

    I am a life member of the NRA and there is no one in this entire free world that is a more gun loving person then me .I believe that an unarmed society is a foolish thing and that being said I will do nothing different then I have been doing my entire 47 years of life and that is I will be carrying my pistol concealed for NO ONE to see or know I have it like I always do . To openly carry any weapon in public is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen or heard of .You set gun owners back 100 ft

    • kill456
    • 12/15/2013 7:27 AM

    when I was young hunters transported there kill on the roof of there cars .This was the worst thing to do as it made hunters look like fools .Now you almost never see this out of respect for other hunters and how this is reflected on us . The same thing go's with public open carry.You do nothing but give the anti gun agenda ammo just like transporting dead wildlife openly makes hunters look bad and gives PETA and the likes ammo against us (other hunters) open carry even if legal is for fools.

    • m.jeffj@gmail.com
    • 12/15/2013 2:31 PM

    Firstly, I doubt any stores are going to do anything. My guess? Keep on carrying, especially if concealed, unless you feel you owe SBX's CEO more than the $5/Latte you and I already pay.
    Now, I can't disagree with open carry demos being absolutely ludicrous a lot of the time. But generalizing all open and concealed carriers based off these demos... not cool, and not how you do it. Just simply ask that people not be asses about the fact that they have a gun.

    • idiotreport@mail.com
    • 12/17/2013 6:43 PM

    Congratulation on your armed robbery in Colorado! I'm assuming that's what you wanted to accomplish, since we all know GUN FREE signs only encourage criminals, not stop them. I haven't stepped foot inside a Starbucks since this memo went out (don't want to scare your customers, ya know) but Dunkin Donuts welcomes me, my gun, and my money with open arms. When I travel, I take my Dunkin Donuts coffee & my Dunkin Donuts mug with my "Proud to support stores who support gun owners" sticker.on it.

    • terroir123@hotmail.com
    • 12/23/2013 7:59 AM

    As a former customer, I feel the CEO's letter contained strong anti-gun language. A better response would have been to say only that local laws dictate this policy and we focus only on coffee. I can't see myself doing business with Starbucks after having let anti-gun groups influence their message.

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